Judging by this post:
Originally posted by ClovieI'd say that her thinking abortion is wrong doesn't go past just that, thinking it's wrong. If she isn't trying to forbid anyone from getting an abortion, then what does it matter if she thinks it's wrong for rape victims to get an abortion? If she isn't trying to enforce that on everyone else, there really is no conflict here.
i just want them to know all the negative consequences it can bring them.
plus i'm sorry for nborn children, but i'm not forbiding anything from anyone 😬and tx AC.
There really isn't any debate.
It's the woman's choice and no one elses. It really is that simple. Your moral fibre isn't a factor in a woman's life when she has to make a decision such as this.
It's like a debate saying, "Does Alpha Centauri have the right to wear a blue shirt?". Regardless of whether you like blue or not, I'll wear it because I want to. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Same applies for abortion, she isn't affecting you, so don't do so to her.
-AC
humans are one of the most inefficient species for producing children anyway...the stats are something close to 1 in 4 of all conceptions are terminated naturally...mostly due to fatal genetic abnormalities and happen without the woman even being aware that she was pregnant
i also dont understand the massive arguments over time scales for abortions...12 weeks...24 weeks...what difference does it make...either female is fit ti be a mother or she isnt and the only person who is qualified to make that choice is the mother herself
abortions based on the mothers capacity to care for the child...the chance of the baby having some severe disability...the child being a result of a woman being raped...there are loads of instances where abortion is the only option available
what is the most ironic thing in the whole issue is that so called "pro life" people murder family planning doctors in the name of their cause...murder in the name of pro life...bizzare
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There really isn't any debate.It's the woman's choice and no one elses. It really is that simple. Your moral fibre isn't a factor in a woman's life when she has to make a decision such as this.
It's like a debate saying, "Does Alpha Centauri have the right to wear a blue shirt?". Regardless of whether you like blue or not, I'll wear it because I want to. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Same applies for abortion, she isn't affecting you, so don't do so to her.
-AC
AC, you're aplying logic to a situation where to opposing side has none. The problem with people who oppose the right to choose is the same with those who are opposed to gay marriage, or those who want to make everyone observe school prayer, or those who say everyone has to stand for the pledge. They feel they have the right to make everyone believe the same as they do. In the minds of fanatical right wing christians, everyone has to believe and act as they do.
Which has long been my point in these matters, does everyone have to believe what you do to make you feel better about your beliefs? The Christian that has to enforce his beliefs on another doesn't really have much faith in those beliefs. If they did, they could live in the same world with those who don't. It's kind of like having a quiet confidence. If the rest of the world disagrees, then that's between them and god.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There really isn't any debate.It's the woman's choice and no one elses. It really is that simple. Your moral fibre isn't a factor in a woman's life when she has to make a decision such as this.
It's like a debate saying, "Does Alpha Centauri have the right to wear a blue shirt?". Regardless of whether you like blue or not, I'll wear it because I want to. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Same applies for abortion, she isn't affecting you, so don't do so to her.
-AC
Exactly. All those "pro-lifers" don't like abortions, so they don't get one. It's quite simple, really.
Originally posted by yerssotbut when the kid gets grown up the mother is not imidiatelly stoping to see him/her.
that's the age a person traditionaly gets out of the house... at least here.
what do you think then? the kid was made during a rape, it's the product of it! and you'll stare on it almost every day of your life till you or the kid dies!no, I'm being serious, this isn't a topic to joke about
Originally posted by Afro Cheeseyes.
As far as I can understand, Clovie thinks abortion is wrong but isn't forbidding anyone else from getting one. So, where's the problem in that? Isn't that how you guys want people who are against abortions to be?
i believe abortion is a really good thing, i would prefer a baby never to live, rather then grow up in a world where it is not loved or treated without the sort of life that they deserve, i also think that the thing aborted is not yet a real human anyway, that they are a mere foetus, that is why there is limits to when the abortion is legaly aloud to take place
Originally posted by jaden101
is this something we can agree on AC?that Bill Hicks has taken over as god since passing away
the man was a total genius
I won't argue that point, while we're going wild.
Yes Clovie, you are partially right but if she chooses not to inform herself, then you have no place to inform her. What she should know is one thing, who informs her is another. Chances are, they know the long and short of it. Keep the baby, unhappy life and baby uncared for. Possibly unwanted. Terminate it, foetus is dead, not major loss coz it wasn't anything to begin with.
The problem is when people stick their noses in and say "You're killing a baby". No, she's not. Let her do what she wants.
-AC