Originally posted by Clovie
i know cry
but even though killing unborn child is wrong.
it is unfair to forbid some poor girl to make a decision
though i still think she should be informed about ALL the consequces and possibilities.
which poor girl do you mean? cause if that poor girl is the mother she has the full right to deceide what happens in her uterus
yeah: keep the kid you don't want or don't... easy pick 😉
and the arguement of it cause breast cancer coming from someone who keeps saying "we have to die from something eventually" makes it rather weak imo
Originally posted by Clovie
she is killing a future-human.
and abortion actually has an impact of the woman. medical one. it can be a cause of brest cancer.and btw i'm totally agains the chinese system of controling the births ammount 🙁
The future is conceptual, it's not here until it's today. So that baby isn't anything but cells. It's not a future anything. Stop being so altruistic.
What DOESN'T cause cancer nowadays? The fact of the matter is, it's her decision.
-AC
Originally posted by jaden101
that Bill Hicks has taken over as god since passing awaythe man was a total genius
Bill Hicks? *cries* I've finally come across people that are fans of Bill Hicks. Wow. Well, there's the proof. My town just sucks.
(Yeah, that probably only made sense to me. Just disregard.)
Originally posted by yerssot
to your standards it is. and it's NOT an unborn child, it's a bunch of cells, that's the term people actually use for itwhich poor girl do you mean? cause if that poor girl is the mother she has the full right to deceide what happens in her uterus
yeah: keep the kid you don't want or don't... easy pick 😉and the arguement of it cause breast cancer coming from someone who keeps saying "we have to die from something eventually" makes it rather weak imo
but that bunch of cells will develope into a child.
and when you (generally ppl) are saying that the feotus is not thinking..so maybe there should be an after birth abortion too, coz child is not able to survive on its own either is not keeping memories from first period of its life 😬
why are you assuming she will choose this way, maybe she'll decide to give the child to adoption, or to rise it. it's her decision, so she should be given fair (meaning also PROlife choice)
i don't see why my opinions about death are mentioned here. we have to die, and we will die, but why to suffer before? maybe instead of aborting she should just kill herself, the implication will be similar.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The future is conceptual, it's not here until it's today. So that baby isn't anything but cells. It's not a future anything. Stop being so altruistic.What DOESN'T cause cancer nowadays? The fact of the matter is, it's her decision.
-AC
everything does. and i see no reason to get extra ways of getting it.
Originally posted by Clovie
but that bunch of cells will develope into a child.
and when you (generally ppl) are saying that the feotus is not thinking..so maybe there should be an after birth abortion too, coz child is not able to survive on its own either is not keeping memories from first period of its life 😬why are you assuming she will choose this way, maybe she'll decide to give the child to adoption, or to rise it. it's her decision, so she should be given fair (meaning also PROlife choice)
No no no, listen. It won't develop into a child is the abortion is carried out. You are basing this whole thing on what the child COULD become if left to grow. It's not a child therefore there is ZERO harm done. You say it's HER decision, then why are you standing here arguing against abortion? We know what you think, so why are you continuing? If you said to a girl "Are you getting an abortion?" and she said yes, that's it. There should be no "But why? There's options." Because she's made her choice, the opinions obviously do not appeal to her.
Originally posted by Clovie
i don't see why my opinions about death are mentioned here. we have to die, and we will die, but why to suffer before? maybe instead of aborting she should just kill herself, the implication will be similar.
What a ridiculous view. She should kill herself, a living, breathing and thinking human being, just because she wants to stop cells growing into a baby? What is wrong with you? That's the most ridiculous thing I've read on KMC.
Originally posted by Clovie
i'm not altruistic. i want to give it fair chances of living 😬
(and read what i wrote above)everything does. and i see no reason to get extra ways of getting it.
No, you are wrong. You are forcing your views on people. "She should kill herself then". What kind of crap is this? YOU might believe everything deserves a chance to live but how about the people that already LIVE ON EARTH taking care of themselves? Why risk living the life you want for something that doesn't even exist yet?
You're being very illogical.
-AC
Originally posted by yerssotIt doesn't matter what people use. People use whatever term suits their movement, pro choicers call it a bunch of cells, pro lifers call it an unborn child. Both are technically correct, but only tell half the story. I usually just take the middle road and call it a pregnancy
to your standards it is. and it's NOT an unborn child, it's a bunch of cells, that's the term people actually use for it
Originally posted by ClovieSay what? I thought you were only pro life, but judging by that comment I can't be sure. I'm guessing there's two possible reasons you would suggest suicide over abortion. Either 1) you know that if to get rid of a pregnancy women had to kill themselves, almost nobody would take it that far and they would basically be forced to have the baby, or 2) you have some sort of resentment against mothers who have abortions and think if they have a pregnancy terminated, they deserve to be terminated themselves.
i don't see why my opinions about death are mentioned here. we have to die, and we will die, but why to suffer before? maybe instead of aborting she should just kill herself, the implication will be similar.
considering I'm pro-choice, I'll stay with my terms 😉 still... at the point where abortion is legaly allowed it's still but a bunch of cells 😛
Originally posted by Clovie
but that bunch of cells will develope into a child.
and when you (generally ppl) are saying that the feotus is not thinking..so maybe there should be an after birth abortion too, coz child is not able to survive on its own either is not keeping memories from first period of its life 😬why are you assuming she will choose this way, maybe she'll decide to give the child to adoption, or to rise it. it's her decision, so she should be given fair (meaning also PROlife choice)
i don't see why my opinions about death are mentioned here. we have to die, and we will die, but why to suffer before? maybe instead of aborting she should just kill herself, the implication will be similar.
i'm not altruistic. i want to give it fair chances of living 😬
(and read what i wrote above)everything does. and i see no reason to get extra ways of getting it.
you know, that's one of the most stupid replies I ever heard... we are talking about aborting when the pregnancy either endangers the mother or due to rape, NOT because the bunch of cells needs support and grow to be able to live. you are mixing one thing with...well, something so differently it's mindboggling how you could even get to that point.
I am NOT forcing the mother to must have an abortion, I am saying she has the choice of aborting or not, understandable especially in the two times that have been repeated to death. YOU on the otherhand are simply demanding she keeps the bunch of cells alive and then give it up to adoption. It's her uterus, it's her choice, but you say it's her uterus but your choice.
well, if we all have to die from something, as you say clovie, why not from abortion? same logic... 🙄
Originally posted by Clovie
but that bunch of cells will develope into a child.
and when you (generally ppl) are saying that the feotus is not thinking..so maybe there should be an after birth abortion too, coz child is not able to survive on its own either is not keeping memories from first period of its life 😬why are you assuming she will choose this way, maybe she'll decide to give the child to adoption, or to rise it. it's her decision, so she should be given fair (meaning also PROlife choice)
i don't see why my opinions about death are mentioned here. we have to die, and we will die, but why to suffer before? maybe instead of aborting she should just kill herself, the implication will be similar.
i'm not altruistic. i want to give it fair chances of living 😬
(and read what i wrote above)everything does. and i see no reason to get extra ways of getting it.
What the hell? Are you psychotic or something?
Why would you ever assume that just because pro-choicers want the OPTION of an abortion open to pregnant women, that we would somehow FORCE it upon them. That is an outright stupid assumption, flatly irrational, and altogether disconnected from reality.
Being pro-choice means pushing for the choice to have an abortion, the right to have one. Not the right of us to force it upon people. The only people forcing anything upon women is the pro-life crowd, forcing childbirth upon women.
What if the pregnancy goes ectopic? What if for soem reason the mother develops a cancerous growth in the uterus and it's a choice of her dying or her dying before coming to term, thus killing the child as well? What if "the pill" failed and the condom broke, and the mother was not married and was not prepared financially and/or otherwise, to raise a child?
Sure, there's adoption and foster homes, but I live in Florida, the foster home system isn't that great. They lose kids all the damn time.
There's less shrieking while putting a child up for adoption, but there's no way to stipulate what kind of people the child will get adopted by. I wouldn't wish the fate of being adopted by a very religious family upon a dog. Those fundamentalist mothers are always killing their children, and frankly, if anyone should have abortions forced upon them, it's these people. Overall, though, if there were better screening proceses for adopting families, I feel that the question of abortion or adoption would be much more weighted towards adoption.
Originally posted by Afro Cheesethere is third reason. i was being sarcastic. and it didn't mean anything 😬
Say what? I thought you were only pro life, but judging by that comment I can't be sure. I'm guessing there's two possible reasons you would suggest suicide over abortion. Either 1) you know that if to get rid of a pregnancy women had to kill themselves, almost nobody would take it that far and they would basically be forced to have the baby, or 2) you have some sort of resentment against mothers who have abortions and think if they have a pregnancy terminated, they deserve to be terminated themselves.
Originally posted by yerssotbut child is not a cancer 😑
so what if it can develop in a child? Cancer grows too and that's also stoppedyou know, that's one of the most stupid replies I ever heard... we are talking about aborting when the pregnancy either endangers the mother or due to rape, NOT because the bunch of cells needs support and grow to be able to live. you are mixing one thing with...well, something so differently it's mindboggling how you could even get to that point.
I am NOT forcing the mother to must have an abortion, I am saying she has the choice of aborting or not, understandable especially in the two times that have been repeated to death. YOU on the otherhand are simply demanding she keeps the bunch of cells alive and then give it up to adoption. It's her uterus, it's her choice, but you say it's her uterus but your choice.
well, if we all have to die from something, as you say clovie, why not from abortion? same logic... 🙄
erm....you got me lost here.
of course when it endangers mother life it is needed 😑
i'm not demanding anything. i'm not standing in from of abortion clinic unletting women to enter 😑 it is just discussion 😬
*regrets not being aborted* 😐
NOTE to everyone:
yes. i'm illogical, psychotic etc.
gimme a rest plz.
but some bunch of cell will develope into a child and not cancer, i don't see your point. it is something exactly different.
sure schmoll
i've said that abbortion is acceptable when the child is having serious deformation, or the pregnancy is endangering mother;s life, you must have missed that post 😬
i could.
the point is that when you talk about an abortion, the future doesn't count at all, you abort it. at the point the bunch of cells are still a bunch of cells, nothing more, nothing less... just like cancer
and you are still not accepting abortion when rape is involved? and no, I didn't, you must clearify things next time
ok, then don't and lose yet another "point" you could make