Abortion

Originally posted by BackFire
Abortion is now the moral degeneration of our country? lol.

Yeah, that makes sense I guess, nevermind the murder, rape, child molestation and drug abuse in this country, getting rid of abortion will help "stop" the moral degeneration of our country! It's the root of all evil!

What the shit does Moral degeneration even mean in relation to the discussion at hand? Because someones morals don't fit into your (questionable) ones means that it's part of some degeneration? You sould like Bill O'Riely, throwing around vage, pointless, and innate blanket statements that have no actual bearing or relevence to a particular argument. Explain your vague phrases or don't use them.

I think it could be considered a moral degeneration.
46 million babies have been killed(or for the politically correct, fetus' have been aborted) since Roe Vs. Wade. I don't see how that isn't murder since we know for a fact that most of those babies would grow up to be normal human beings. Of course some could have been miscarried or something to that effect but that is a small amount.
I'm very interested how history will look upon this in the big scale of things. This is worse than the holocost. There is one thing I want to make clear though, I don't want to be seen as a hateful person to anyone who has comitted an abortion. That's not the case. I personally think you made a mistake, but rather, I am upset with the doctors who perform this procedure.

Woman's right to choose...bah
What about the childs right to life.................?

Originally posted by Clovie
so if it is their choice why is anypne saying it is right?
this way i can the same way be saying it is wrong.

Because free choice is right, even if the choice isn't one you agree with.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because free choice is right, even if the choice isn't one you agree with.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
BANG! You win tonights star prize. A reply from AC.

Here's the diz-eal:

If you wouldn't have an abortion, regardless of why, that's your choice.

You have the right to say why you think they're not good but the fact is, it's a woman's choice. None of your business.

The sooner you accept that there are more pros than cons with regards to abortions, the sooner we can drop the child worship syndrome and proceed to make the world a better place because contrary to popular belief, filling it with kids isn't a way of doing so.

-AC

does this have any relevance to my post?

Wasn't AIMED at you if that's what you mean.

Clovie, responsibility doesn't enter into it. Things can happen to override that.

-AC

yes it does.
of course there are some situations... but at this moment i mean normal life without any radicality (like rape)
and i think it is about resposibility

Originally posted by Echuu
I personally think you made a mistake, but rather, I am upset with the doctors who perform this procedure.

Woman's right to choose...bah
What about the childs right to life.................?

How can you say that its not the women's choice?
In any kind of situation when abortion is used..
So people that have had an abortion have made a
mistake?....
Do you know what i think is stupid?...that people like
you and others that believe abortion is wrong are saying that if you are rapped then you should still give birth to it , and then put it up for adoption.

A filthy old man that rapes a girl and then gets her pregnant , thats a mistake , or the fact that you would want that girl to give birth rather than her have an abortion? thats wrong , people like that guy who rapped....he shouldn't be given the privilege of having a baby...he brings life into this world through rape while the girl has to suffer with the emotional\physical\internal pain he has caused her but now also carry his "baby" for nine months???....that is a mistake...

You try it , and anyone else that thinks it would be easy to give birth to a child after rape....knowing the first baby you ever gave birth to was a dirty old guy that jumped you....

Having a Abortion is not a mistake cry

It's all just a bunch of cells...

Then again so are we. 😖

The point isn't whether or not it's a bunch of cells, of course it's a bunch of cells.. all organisms are made of cells. The point is whether or not it has sentience, which it doesn't , and whether or not it is autonomous, which it isn't.

omfg r u ppl all assholes?!?! dont get an abortion!! that's taking away the life of someone. .. u dumbppl

What's that rubbish about "autonomous?" If an infant were left alone then eventually it would starve and that would count as infanticide.

rriigghhtt.....im not even gonna start w. u

But the infant doesn't directly rely on being attached to anyone else to survive. Yeah, it's not completely independent but it can be kept alive without being a part of someone else's body. A fetus removed from the womb would die regardless.

I propose, then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it. Every person has a right to life. So the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body; everyone would grant that. But surely a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed; an abortion may not be performed.

It sounds plausible. But now let me ask you to imagine this. You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you—we would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.

Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still? What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this. All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him." I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible-sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.

Originally posted by BackFire
Abortion is now the moral degeneration of our country? lol.

Yeah, that makes sense I guess, nevermind the murder, rape, child molestation and drug abuse in this country, getting rid of abortion will help "stop" the moral degeneration of our country! It's the root of all evil!

What the shit does Moral degeneration even mean in relation to the discussion at hand? Because someones morals don't fit into your (questionable) ones means that it's part of some degeneration? You sould like Bill O'Riely, throwing around vage, pointless, and innate blanket statements that have no actual bearing or relevence to a particular argument. Explain your vague phrases or don't use them.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because free choice is right, even if the choice isn't one you agree with.

^ Crystal clear clarity that is impossible to contradict.

Don't be a sarcastic *****. I'm not saying that abortion is OMG TEH EVILNESS OF TEH COUNTRY!!!11111!!!!11 I'm saying that it is just one of the many factors that contributes to the moral degeneration. If we really wanted to completely stop moral degeneration, we'd start using capital punishment. A lot.

^ The antonym of my first statement.

Originally posted by Ignite
How can you say that its not the women's choice?
In any kind of situation when abortion is used..
So people that have had an abortion have made a
mistake?....
Do you know what i think is stupid?...that people like
you and others that believe abortion is wrong are saying that if you are rapped then you should still give birth to it , and then put it up for adoption.

A filthy old man that rapes a girl and then gets her pregnant , thats a mistake , or the fact that you would want that girl to give birth rather than her have an abortion? thats wrong , people like that guy who rapped....he shouldn't be given the privilege of having a baby...he brings life into this world through rape while the girl has to suffer with the emotional\physical\internal pain he has caused her but now also carry his "baby" for nine months???....that is a mistake...

You try it , and anyone else that thinks it would be easy to give birth to a child after rape....knowing the first baby you ever gave birth to was a dirty old guy that jumped you....

Having a Abortion is not a mistake cry

Originally posted by 44_caliber_fox
omfg r u ppl all assholes?!?! dont get an abortion!! that's taking away the life of someone. .. u dumbppl

Originally posted by shaber
What's that rubbish about "autonomous?" If an infant were left alone then eventually it would starve and that would count as infanticide.

Originally posted by FeceMan
If we really wanted to completely stop moral degeneration, we'd start using capital punishment. A lot.

Just so we are clear, is it morally justifiable to terminate human life or not? Opposing one form of so-called murder while condoning another is hypocricy.

The suggestiion to use a morally degenerate practice to stop all other morally degenerate pracitices is almost a workable ****ing formula. Not to mention that capital punishment does not deter crime.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Just so we are clear, is it morally justifiable to terminate human life or not? Opposing one form of so-called murder while condoning another is hypocricy.

The suggestiion to use a morally degenerate practice to stop all other morally degenerate pracitices is almost a workable ****ing formula. Not to mention that capital punishment does not deter crime.

Clovie, you don't agree with abortion but do you recognise that you do not have the right to influence a females decision to get one?

I'm assuming that's your standpoint.

-AC