Abortion

Just so we are clear, is it morally justifiable to terminate human life or not? Opposing one form of so-called murder while condoning another is hypocricy.

The suggestiion to use a morally degenerate practice to stop all other morally degenerate pracitices is almost a workable ****ing formula. Not to mention that capital punishment does not deter crime.

The difference is simple: criminals have done something that warrants death, babies have not.

Good thing that babies have nothing to do with abortion then isn't it?

-AC

^ As with this entire discussion, that is a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Clovie, you don't agree with abortion but do you recognise that you do not have the right to influence a females decision to get one?

I'm assuming that's your standpoint.

-AC

Why do you always have to slide that bit in? It's not an eventual anything unless she wants it to be.

Fece: No, I think you'll find it's science. It's not a baby at the point of abortion.

-AC

but when she want it will develope into normal (most probaly) human. and i don't understand why is everyone stucking to calling it 'bunch of cells' etc..
it is as if you were scared of calling the foetus a child coz then you're ideas would be looking to radical.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I specifically worded it this way to elicit this form of response.

The difference is simple: criminals have done something that warrants death, babies have not.

Abortion procedures terminate a pregnancy before a fetus can develop into a child. At most, a fetus is a potential life... as is every egg that is released during ovulation, and every sperm that is release during ejaculation. If abortion is immoral because it terminates a potential life, then so is menstruation, masturbation, birth control, as well as any number of other things that involve wasting sperm an egg.

Not to mention that many people who are sentenced to death are innocent. In the past 25 years, over one hundred inmates on death row were found to be innocent and subsequently released from prison. The most recent exonerated inmate is Ernest Ray Willis who served 17 years on Texas' death row for a crime he did not commit.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Fece: No, I think you'll find it's science. It's not a baby at the point of abortion.

-AC

Really? Then when is it?

AC do you believe it is ok to abort a fetus any time before it has been born?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Abortion procedures terminate a pregnancy before a fetus can develop into a child. At most, a fetus is a potential life... as is every egg that is released during ovulation, and every sperm that is release during ejaculation. If abortion is immoral because it terminates a potential life, then so is menstruation, masturbation, birth control, as well as any number of other things that involve wasting sperm an egg.

NO-

birth contol is preventing fertilization whereas abortion is destroying the result

two different things there

Fece: No, I think you'll find it's science. It's not a baby at the point of abortion.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wasn't AIMED at you if that's what you mean.
-AC

Originally posted by FeceMan
I believe that life begins at the point of conception. As soon as the cell divides, to me, it is alive and is as sacred as a person.

Despite it not being a person?

Echuu, there is a scientifically provable point where the cells grow into a human. Before then, it's not. Which is usually the time of abortion.

-AC

and where/ when is this scientifically provable point?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Despite it not being a person?

Echuu, there is a scientifically provable point where the cells grow into a human. Before then, it's not. Which is usually the time of abortion.

-AC

oh ok

Um lets say that a fetus is supposed to be born in a month but it is born a early. Don't you think we should still be able to abort it because its being born prematurely and not on the estimated date?
And why not take it a step further? Lets take a 2 year old for example- they don't have the mental capacity to make decisions of right or wrong in their minds and they must have to be taken care of. Don't you think that you could abort them too since they aren't as smart as a normal human being?

also, many scientists have agreed that life begins at the moment of conseption

ah scientists...at least they're good for something:-)

Originally posted by Echuu
NO-

birth contol is preventing fertilization whereas abortion is destroying the result

two different things there

The birth control pill supresses ovulation; It prevents an egg from being released and fertilized and developing into a person. A condom creates a barrier between the penis and the vagina; It prevents sperm from fertilizing an egg and developing into a person. In this sense, birth control prevents the development of a potential life, just as an abortion prevents the development of a potential life.

but not if life begins at conception; which i believe it does

and if it does then the abortion is destroying the life that has been created

i dont have a problem with the life being prevented in the case of the birth control and condom

Originally posted by FeceMan
I believe that life begins at the point of conception. As soon as the cell divides, to me, it is alive and is as sacred as a person.

😂

Originally posted by Julie
and where / when is this scientifically provable point?

Once it has both a heart beat and brain activity.

Originally posted by Echuu
Um lets say that a fetus is supposed to be born in a month but it is born a early. Don't you think we should still be able to abort it because its being born prematurely and not on the estimated date?

And why not take it a step further? Lets take a 2 year old for example- they don't have the mental capacity to make decisions of right or wrong in their minds and they must have to be taken care of. Don't you think that you could abort them too since they aren't as smart as a normal human being?

By definition, an abortion is a procedure that terminates a pregnancy. It is therefore, impossible to terminate a born infant or a two year old child. In these instances, the child may be unwanted but its life is no longer dependent upon the will of the mother to allow it to live.

Originally posted by Echuu
also, many scientists have agreed that life begins at the moment of conseption

An individual sperm is alive, an egg is alive, and a fetus is alive. It does not follow from this that because something is alive that it is a life.

Originally posted by Echuu
but not if life begins at conception; which i believe it does

and if it does then the abortion is destroying the life that has been created

i dont have a problem with the life being prevented in the case of the birth control and condom

If it is your belief that life begins at conception, then preventing conception would be murder.

Actually i think a two year old is dependent on a mother to live- or another adult at least- id sure like to see a two year old survive on its own

"An individual sperm is alive, an egg is alive, and a fetus is alive. It does not follow from this that because something is alive that it is a life."

i think it is though
and many doctors would say otherwise

Dr. Jerome Lejeune: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence."

Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."

Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception."