Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) That's bullshit. It's not guaranteed, so don't act like it. I've known many people who have had it done and that hasn't happened. So don't act like it always does.

B) Why not let the woman deal with that?

It's her experience, her choice, her consequences. Whatever they may be.

Why not just butt out of issues that aren't your business?

-AC

Ofourse it doesn't happen to everybody....that's fact, but you can't say that it never happens either.....Yes, it's her experience, her choice, her consequences........That's for sure......Only hers.....Not yours....something you don't have stuck in YOUR mind...It will be only in HERS .When down the line, she starts wondering....gee it/he/she would of been 5 now...wonder what it would of looked like....When she sees children at a park and thinks....geee...aren't they cute.......Or when later in life when she doesn have a child.....She'll NO EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID....and there ain't no remedy for that...... .NOPE....life goes on....and yes....I'm done with you.....ignorance is bliss for the Alpha........

I think I'll go and watch some dawn of the dead flixs.....maybe your name will appear in the credits... 🙂

Originally posted by debbiejo
Ah OH....your Germans leaking.... 😄

And yeah....what ever....everybody has an opinion...we're all not going to agree......I just think it's infringing on another's rights....

ANd Alpha....quit calling things fact....when it's only ones opinion...

How on earth does allowing someone to decide what to do with THEIR bodies infringe the rights of anyone else? Banning abortion would be infringing on the rights of people, because it would defy the Right to Privacy amendment in the US constitution.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Ofourse it doesn't happen to everybody....that's fact, but you can't say that it never happens either.....Yes, it's her experience, her choice, her consequences........That's for sure......Only hers.....Not yours....something you don't have stuck in YOUR mind...It will be only in HERS .When down the line, she starts wondering....gee it/he/she would of been 5 now...wonder what it would of looked like....When she sees children at a park and thinks....geee...aren't they cute.......Or when later in life when she doesn have a child.....She'll NO EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID....and there ain't no remedy for that...... .NOPE....life goes on....and yes....I'm done with you.....ignorance is bliss for the Alpha........

I think I'll go and watch some dawn of the dead flixs.....maybe your name will appear in the credits... 🙂

You knwo idf she keeps it and walks with her little brat in the park and sees there a young women having a nice boyfriend being happy ....or someone at a college that had better chances that her how would she feel then?...you know kids can suck very much......they are not always cute little angels that you wish you had...especially if it is to be seen in context with lets say rape or a really unhealthy and sad relationship.

Originally posted by debbiejo
It will be only in HERS .When down the line, she starts wondering....gee it/he/she would of been 5 now...wonder what it would of looked like....When she sees children at a park and thinks....geee...aren't they cute.......Or when later in life when she doesn have a child.....She'll NO EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID....and there ain't no remedy for that...... .NOPE....life goes on....and yes....I'm done with you.....ignorance is bliss for the Alpha........

I think I'll go and watch some dawn of the dead flixs.....maybe your name will appear in the credits... 🙂

What's all this "When" stuff? WHEN she sees kids, WHEN she thinks they are cute?

Why are you saying when as if it's an inevitability? It's not. It's a possibility. If that should happen, that's for the woman to deal with. It's none of your concern. It's her choice to have the abortion or not. You have no right nor reason to get involved and feed ideas into her head.

There aint a remedy for abortion? No there's not. Regrets will happen, but the crucial point is that you let the woman CHOOSE that she wants to have the abortion done at the time. You have no right to say "But when you're older you'll feel bad about it" because she may likely be one of those who just gets on with life. Like the many girls I've known.

Your debate is faulty and pointless 🙂. You tried though, for that, I commend you.

I am actually in that movie though. Zombie abortionist #6.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
You knwo idf she keeps it and walks with her little brat in the park and sees there a young women having a nice boyfriend being happy ....or someone at a college that had better chances that her how would she feel then?...you know kids can suck very much......they are not always cute little angels that you wish you had...especially if it is to be seen in context with lets say rape or a really unhealthy and sad relationship.

Exactly.

As is inevitable, there were girls that were pregnant at my high school. One got an abortion, the others all had their kids. The one who had an abortion was able to finish high school and go on to college. The ones that had their kids had to drop out of high school to care for them.

Who do you think was better off here?

Originally posted by Lana
How on earth does allowing someone to decide what to do with THEIR bodies infringe the rights of anyone else?

Well, if someone gave me the permission to pour gasoline on myself and light a match while I was out shopping, and I did it, that might infringe on a few people's rights.

Originally posted by botankus
Well, if someone gave me the permission to pour gasoline on myself and light a match while I was out shopping, and I did it, that might infringe on a few people's rights.

If you would hurt others, or other peoples property...if not....go ahead my friend.

yes, you might get them on fire too
but using abortion won't get all the pregnant women in a 5 mile radius to spontaneously abort

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you would hurt others, or other peoples property...if not....go ahead my friend.

Originally posted by yerssot
yes, you might get them on fire too
but using abortion won't get all the pregnant women in a 5 mile radius to spontaneously abort

If you keep shoving any argument down people's throats it will eventually get to others.

Originally posted by botankus
If you keep shoving any argument down people's throats it will eventually get to others.

But saying that it's someones choice to abort is not saying "Hey guys lets go to clinic!"

Originally posted by botankus
I'll go on a limb here and assume that there are other people shopping.

well yes of course there will be other people shopping (ok now seriously this is hardly comparable) but even if there are, as long as you don't hurt them you can do it...I bet you can light yourself on fire in a shopping mall (very different from the more private place where an abortion would take place) without interferring in other peoples business.......somehow...maybe.....did you buy the lighter yet?

LOL! That's some serious weaving in traffic, though.

*lighting clothes and walking in front door of the mall*

Okay, better example.

I have the right to consume alcohol. I am over 21 and simply have the right to consume it. I also have the right to consume 20 beers at a bar if I want to. Not a single person can stop me from opening the front door of my car and sitting in the driver's seat. What to do next as I feel the keys in my pocket jingle.

That's a decision I'm making to my body. Now...after the 20th beer tell me any way...any way at all...that I could infringe or are already infringing on someone's rights.

Originally posted by botankus
Okay, better example.

I have the right to consume alcohol. I am over 21 and simply have the right to consume it. I also have the right to consume 20 beers at a bar if I want to. Not a single person can stop me from opening the front door of my car and sitting in the driver's seat. What to do next as I feel the keys in my pocket jingle.

That's a decision I'm making to my body. Now...after the 20th beer tell me any way...any way at all...that I could infringe or are already infringing on someone's rights.

Well you couldn't do a lot I believe....thats the thing...you shouldnt use a car if you got that many beers in your body because you couldn't handle it and therefore could infringe on other peoples right...whole different thing with Abortion....ok just think aboot it..you meet a woman lets aay in college and she gotr a relatively big belly.....a week later you meet her again she doesn't anymore...what harm did it do to you?

I propose, then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it. Every person has a right to life. So the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body; everyone would grant that. But surely a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed; an abortion may not be performed.

It sounds plausible. But now let me ask you to imagine this. You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to youówe would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.

Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still? What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this. All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him." I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible-sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well you couldn't do a lot I believe....thats the thing...you shouldnt use a car if you got that many beers in your body because you couldn't handle it and therefore could infringe on other peoples right

Originally posted by Bardock42

...whole different thing with Abortion....ok just think aboot it..you meet a woman lets aay in college and she gotr a relatively big belly.....a week later you meet her again she doesn't anymore...what harm did it do to you?

What if you're the father and wanted the baby? Don't tell me that has 0.0000000% to do with it.

Listen, I'm not for or against abortion. I just don't like the statement about doing something to your body having no way in hell's chance of infringing on people's rights.

Well Botankus, in this case, it affects no one else.

So, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I am actually in that movie though. Zombie abortionist #6.

-AC

Hey your right....you are in that movie..... 🙂

Of course it is the mother's chpice.
but i don't see how anyone could purpousely want to kill own child (even the unborn one)

and don't tell me crap about bunch of cells.
little children (newborn ones) are the best creatures on earth! touched