Abortion

Originally posted by Makedde
Not all pro lifers believe a womans should be forced to have a baby. NOT ALL NOT ALL NOT ALL!!! Got that? I don't, and many other pro lifers I know think that to force someone to do something against their will is abhorrent.

It's a huge misconception with you lot.

Actually had enough.

What do you not understand? Your beliefs are not pro-life. You are insisting you are pro-life because you like how it sounds. You are not ACTUALLY pro-life. I will show you why.

Quote one:

Originally posted by Makedde
obviously she doesn't have enough money to finacially support the baby, so why have it?

Extremely hypocritical since you spent weeks preaching responsibility and how a baby shouldn't be aborted because it will infringe, and to put it up for adoption. Now suggesting she shouldn't have it if she can't support it.

Quote two:

Originally posted by Makedde
I see it worse than killing, but I don't feel I should be vilified for that. It's simply the way I feel. I cannot think of anything more abhorrent than paedophilia.

Someone claiming she is pro-life, saying that it's not as bad for a kid to be killed as it is for a kid to be molested and left ALIVE. Not looking good for you here, Mak.

All of this couple with the fact that whenever you summerise your beliefs, they are pro-choice beliefs.

To nail the coffin shut, quote three:

Originally posted by Makedde
Of course. I wouldn't want someone controlling my life, so what gives me, or anyone else the right to control someone else life?

You're pro-choice.

Bye.

-AC

I am sure if every pro lifer thought about being controlled by someone else, say, someone who was pro choice, they wouldn't like it, so then they'd all be pro choice according to you?

This isn't about everyone else. This is about you and your inability to stick to an opinion or belief.

I have just proven that you are pro-choice, you have proven that you are pro-choice. You do not hold pro-life opinions or beliefs, you hold pro-choice beliefs.

-AC

Not all pro lifers think the same way, though. Just as not all pro choicers think the same way.

Originally posted by Makedde
Not all pro lifers think the same way, though. Just as not all pro choicers think the same way.

Are you operating at amoebic level or something?

I know not all pro-lifers OR pro-choicers think the same way, but YOU are a pro-choicer. You can't just pick a title and say "That's what I am" if your beliefs do not coincide with that title.

You, Makedde, have pro-choice opinions and beliefs. No pro-life beliefs at all.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
Not all pro lifers believe a womans should be forced to have a baby. NOT ALL NOT ALL NOT ALL!!! Got that? I don't, and many other pro lifers I know think that to force someone to do something against their will is abhorrent.

It's a huge misconception with you lot.

Pro-Life is the opposition to the deliberate ending of human life from the moment of conception, including but not limited to abortion, euthanasia, human cloning, and scientific research on human embryos.

People who are Pro-Life are opposed to the right of a woman to terminate a pregnancy for any reason.

You are not Pro-Life.

If I think abortion is murder (keep the FACTUALLY) part outof it, please, is that still expressing a pro choice view?

Originally posted by Makedde
If I think abortion is murder (keep the FACTUALLY) part outof it, please, is that still expressing a pro choice view?

Hahahaha, actually too dumb. Asking us what are and are not pro-choice views so that you can adopt one that isn't, in an attempt to look pro-life.

Why keep the factually part out? It's factually not murder, we've been over this too many times. You are pro-choice, your views are pro-choice.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
If I think abortion is murder (keep the FACTUALLY) part outof it, please, is that still expressing a pro choice view?

The pro-choice view is to give the woman a choice(DUH). Which you've admitted to already.

You're pro-choice. Why can't you see it?

As I have said, I don't give a flying **** whether it is factually not murder, I said I hold that opinion, but I am still pro choice? Go jump in a lake.

Originally posted by Makedde
As I have said, I don't give a flying **** whether it is factually not murder, I said I hold that opinion, but I am still pro choice? Go jump in a lake.

Ironically this also proves that you are not pro-life. Advising someone to jump in a lake, presumably to drown (unless you just wanted me to get wet). Not terribly pro-life of you.

You're pro-choice, we can move on now.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
It would offend me if all pro lifers wanted to ban abortion. I don't want it banned. If you ban abortion, rape victims would be forced to give birth, women would die because they wouldn't be able to have an abortion to save their own lives etc. Banning abortion might bring down the abortion rate, but with all the desperate women going and having a coathanger abortion, we'd have thousands of women dying each year, which is something we don't need, and what I certainly don't want. I would never want abortion made illegal. Restrictions, more sex education, mandatory counselling, yes, but never make it illegal, That would be the worst thing you could do.

Are you still going to continue this charade of being pro-life?

Let's hope not.

-AC

Why don't you leave the girl alone and play nice AC?

Mad that someone doesn't fit into your black and white ideal of the world?

"TOUGH SHIT".

(as you like to say.)

Mak is entitled to think whatever she wants, whenever she wants.

I think that you will have to find another cause to pretend to care about and champion soon, one that makes you feel as intelligent and superior as you must imagine yourself to be in this thread,..... since abortions will soon be illegal.

Watch me now,....

I'll gladly give you $100 U.S. ( how does that work in the U.K.?)

if I haven't posted a "Ha Ha, told ya so" for the U.S. supreme Court making abortion illegal in the next 9-10 months.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Why don't you leave the girl alone and play nice AC?

Mad that someone doesn't fit into your black and white ideal of the world?

Why don't you read the thread and read.....nice....Sithsaber?

Educate yourself on why we are saying what we are.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Mak is entitled to think whatever she wants, whenever she wants.

She is, most definitely. Her thinking that she's pro-life and her being pro-life are two completely different worlds, as I have proven many times...as SHE has proven.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I think that you will have to find another cause to pretend to care about and champion soon, one that makes you feel as intelligent and superior as you must imagine yourself to be in this thread,..... since abortions will soon be illegal.

Heard all this before, Sith. Bring something new to the game or stay on the bench.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Watch me now,....

I'll gladly give you $100 U.S. ( how does that work in the U.K.?)

if I haven't posted a "Ha Ha, told ya so" for the U.S. supreme Court making abortion illegal in the next 9-10 months.

If you are actually willing to pay me $100 for that, then of course I will refrain from saying "Ha ha, told ya so". What kind of proposition is that? Haha.

At least make one that benefits you and makes me look bad.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
It's a huge misconception with you lot.

Originally posted by Makedde
I am sure if every pro lifer thought about being controlled by someone else, say, someone who was pro choice, they wouldn't like it, so then they'd all be pro choice according to you?

Originally posted by Makedde
Not all pro lifers think the same way, though. Just as not all pro choicers think the same way.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
if I haven't posted a "Ha Ha, told ya so" for the U.S. supreme Court making abortion illegal in the next 9-10 months.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She is, most definitely. Her thinking that she's pro-life and her being pro-life are two completely different worlds, as I have proven many times...as SHE has proven.

Okay, perhaps the reason I can't see myself as pro choice is because I don't want anyone thinking I condone abortion, because I do not. I do not want anyone thinking I am your typical pro choicer, that I don't care about unborn babies, which is not true. I don't want people to judge me, and my saying I am pro life can allow me to say that I do care for unborn babies, but women also.

Originally posted by Makedde
Okay, perhaps the reason I can't see myself as pro choice is because I don't want anyone thinking I condone abortion, because I do not. I do not want anyone thinking I am your typical pro choicer, that I don't care about unborn babies, which is not true. I don't want people to judge me, and my saying I am pro life can allow me to say that I do care for unborn babies, but women also.

Pro-choice isn't about not caring about unborn babies. It's about having the actual choice. Of course you can care about unborn babies and still be for the right to choose. But to be a pro-lifer, and then say it's ok to have an abortion if the woman chooses it's necessary, isn't a very pro-life view at all.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Pro-choice isn't about not caring about unborn babies. It's about having the actual choice. Of course you can care about unborn babies and still be for the right to choose. But to be a pro-lifer, and then say it's ok to have an abortion if the woman chooses it's necessary, isn't a very pro-life view at all.

Fair enough, I get what you are saying, but I don't think that all women should have the choice. Many should, but those who have unprotected sex should, IMO, suffer the consequences. I may have pro choice views but I do have pro life views too. 😕

Originally posted by Makedde
Fair enough, I get what you are saying, but I don't think that all women should have the choice. Many should, but those who have unprotected sex should, IMO, suffer the consequences. I may have pro choice views but I do have pro life views too. 😕

Well, comforming to one group isn't necessary, but if you have a little of both, then you can't say you are in either group.

Kind of like Conservatives and Liberals. Many people stick themselves in one of the other, and then conform all their beliefs around those two thought patterns, even if they don't agree.

I myself can't stick myself in either group, I'm obviously pro-choice, which would make me a liberal, but im all for loose gun control laws, which would put me on the side of the conservatives.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'll gladly give you $100 U.S. ( how does that work in the U.K.?)

if I haven't posted a "Ha Ha, told ya so" for the U.S. supreme Court making abortion illegal in the next 9-10 months.

What makes you think that because two Pro-Life Justices have been appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court recently that the other seven will rule in favor of overturning "Roe v. Wade," especially considering that five of the Justices continually uphold it?