Originally posted by X-Woman
Having a baby is supposed to be a beautiful thing. If you fooled around one night and a baby popped out then that's your fault and you should have to take care of that baby.
Holy crap!! That's IT! nearly 300 pages of debate for NOTHING! You've solved everything! It's just that simple!
Note the sarcasm. That's been brought up and argued already.
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
But all liberals are pro-choice advocates.Reminds me of gradeschool science. XP
again, that isn't true. Were this a black and white issue or a regulation for being a card carrying member of a particular political party, then I would conceed.
Perhaps we had different grade school teachers.
"Liberalism advocates civil rights for all citizens: the protection and privileges of personal liberty extended to all citizens equally by law. It includes the equal treatment of all citizens irrespective of race, gender and class. Liberals are divided over the extent to which positive rights are to be included, such as the right to food, shelter, and education. Critics from an internationalist human rights school of thought argue that the civil rights advocated in the liberal view are not extended to all people, but are limited to citizens of particular states. Unequal treatment on the basis of nationality is therefore possible, especially in regard to citizenship itself. (Main article: Civil rights).
The rule of law and equality before the law are fundamental to liberalism. Government authority may only be legitimately exercised in accordance with laws that are adopted through an established procedure. Another aspect of the rule of law is an insistence upon the guarantee of an independent judiciary, whose political independence is intended to act as a safeguard against arbitrary rulings in individual cases. The rule of law includes concepts such as the presumption of innocence, no double jeopardy, and Habeas Corpus. Rule of law is seen by liberals as a guard against despotism and as enforcing limitations on the power of government. In the penal system, liberals in general reject punishments they see as inhumane, including capital punishment.
...Both in Europe and in the United States, liberals often support the pro-choice movement and advocate equal rights for women and homosexuals." - from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If laws were passed to make abortion illegal, with a mass consensus from the citizens of the country believing that abortion was the equivalent of murder, then liberals would have to be pro-life.
Note also the "often" in the last sentence.
Originally posted by crazylozer
equal treatment of all citizens irrespective of race, gender and class.
That's a nice idea. However, it isn't often implemeted by the "liberals". When it comes right down to it, at least. I think a good example is the number of liberals I've met. "let the fags get married, but don't let them near our kids." Stupidity isn't common place on one side of the aisle.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That's a nice idea. However, it isn't often implemeted by the "liberals". When it comes right down to it, at least. I think a good example is the number of liberals I've met. "let the fags get married, but don't let them near our kids." Stupidity isn't common place on one side of the aisle.
I don't agree with the right on alot of things, but, I've never had a right-wing person stab me in the back, they tend to be straight with thier message, amongst other things lol..
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
lol, that's the EXACT kindof liberal i'm talking about, and mind you, i've never EVER met a liberal otherwise, and those that claimed to be better then that, only later betrayed me.I don't agree with the right on alot of things, but, I've never had a right-wing person stab me in the back, they tend to be straight with thier message, amongst other things lol..
Actually I would consider myself to be more "liberal" than "conservative." I usually vote democratic or independent.😉
I find that most of those who support abortion are generally not very "liberal."
Case in point..
Originally posted by crazylover
Liberalism advocates civil rights for all citizens: the protection and privileges of personal liberty extended to all citizens equally by law
Anyone care to explain to me how someone can call themselves a "liberal", and not be concerned about the "civil rights" of the unborn?
Moving on.."liberal" and "conservative" are really just buzz words used by various individuals, to further separate and control people in a society. There's only 3 real groups of people in my book. The good, the bad, and the ignorant.
Not too many people fall in the good category, there's a whole hell of a lot in the bad, and probably even more in the ignorant. Unfortunately, the ignorant are just about always being manipulated by the bad ones, so it can be difficult to tell at times whether or not someone is truly evil or just very, very, ignorant.
So anyway, when you're presenting your views to others, you have to realize that many of those who profess stuff like "abortion is a women's choice" or "a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body" are just ignorant. Not inherently evil or anything. Most are just being indoctrinated and controlled by the evil people who unfortunately control most of the media, the educational systems, etc, etc.