It's a cell that in time will, in left untouched, become a human at the end of the eighth week. It's still just a cell. JUST a cell.
Nothing human about it, you are attaching the word human just because that's the species it was conceived by. This is irrelevant. It's not a human, we both know this.
Let's move on.
-AC
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
The problem is with pro-choice is you're making excuses, you're perpetuating the problem.If rape and inscest are the culprites, stop the rape and inscest, why should abortion be legal cause of some other problem? That doesn't solve the problem. We need to crack down on rapists and get it through to the populace that if you sexualy abuse someone, you might not die, but you'll come up missing..
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Why do you have such a boner for KGB tactics?
Originally posted by Makedde
A human cell will become a human being, it is still, and always will be, a human cell.A cancer cell will never become a human, because it is not a human cell.
Get it?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Anyone care to explain to me how someone can call themselves a "liberal", and not be concerned about the "civil rights" of the unborn?
You answer your own question. "Unborn" is just that. Not a factor in the everyday life of those who posesse an opinion. A clump of cells has no say in the matters of the actual human being. nor should they.
Are you against stem cell research?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Unless I was addressing you, then you've no right to interfere. My question still stands.I'll also address a question to you:
Why does stem cell research not apply?
Are you familiar with "stem cell research?"?
Human life is still a questionable expectation in that stage of life.
Don't escape the reality!
Answer teh question.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Unless I was addressing you, then you've no right to interfere. My question still stands.I'll also address a question to you:
Why does stem cell research not apply?
Wow, take the stick out of your ass, it was a simple general statement. Stem Cell Research IS worthy of it's own thread.
So when did I say it didn't apply? When did I give any opinon on Stem Cell Research whatsoever?
Stem Cell Research can be a sidebar to abortion because the most useful stem cells come from the fetus, but it's also it's own debate. Seeing as stem cells don't have to come from fetuses, and that stem cells actually accomplish something that has nothing to do with abortion, it can very well be it's own topic.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's not get this debate back to murder please. Facts are facts.Let it go and move on.
-AC
Yes they are, and you are wrong.
The debate over whether abortion is murder is a central part of the real world debate. REGARDLESS of anyone's opinion on that matter, none of you have the right to simply dismiss that argument in favour of your own view and suppress it being mentioned in this thread.
Speaking as a moderator here- do not do that. If people want to continue to claim it is murder, that is up to them.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
When you said it should have it's own thread. So, if you feel strongly about it, start one. Otherwise, I don't think it's an invalid question to expect Sithsabre to answer...in this thread.
I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself. Saying "It should have it's own thread" and "Don't talk about it here because it doesn't apply" are two different things. I even said it was slightly related in a section of my post that you conviently appear to have ignored.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes they are, and you are wrong.The debate over whether abortion is murder is a central part of the real world debate. REGARDLESS of anyone's opinion on that matter, none of you have the right to simply dismiss that argument in favour of your own view and suppress it being mentioned in this thread.
Speaking as a moderator here- do not do that. If people want to continue to claim it is murder, that is up to them.
People can hold whatever opinion they want, but if they're wrong they're going to look stupid. It's also extremely hypocritical of you to talk of suppressing views when you more or less tried to force me to drop mine by threatening me with the majority and the fact that KMC as a whole would possibly view me as some immoral monster, and people actually saw you do it.
Don't get on your moderating high horse with me again, Ush. All you do is pop up now and again, call people idiots and then fade out without ever conceding when you are wrong. At least I have been a main contributor to this thread, regardless of whether you like the way I debate or not. I'm not breaking any forum rules and that's an actual fact (I've looked at the rules enough to know). Instead of going after people such as Makedde who have suggested I drown myself in a lake and also called me many other derogatory terms than I have used, you coincidentally choose to reply to me with you Robocop-esque crap instead of them.
The point at hand however: I never once said people can't have whatever opinion they want, even if it is wrong. They can, and I even stated that recently in this thread. I said that having a wrong opinion and continually arguing that standpoint does nothing but stump the thread because people have to keep going back and explaining things that have already been dealt with. I agree, whether or not abortion is murder IS a central part of the debate, so since it factually is not (your whining and tantrum throwing regardless), those people claiming that it is are serving no purpose but to slow the debate down.
-AC
When I addressed the question of stem cell research to Sithsabre, you had this to say:
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Stem Cell research is a whole new can of worms, worthy of it's own thread.
A "whole new can of worms" is equating my question to Sithsabre with a whole new argument and "worthy of it's own thread" means that whole new argument would take this thread off topic.
But the whole point of the question is that Sithsabre is a hypocrite who picks and chooses what is right and wrong when it comes to his religion and beliefs. And, when someone is hypocritical in their practices then they have no right to be deciding what is right and wrong for someone else. When your beliefs are arbitrarily chosen, then they are no more or less right or important than those that have been chosen by another person
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The point at hand however: I never once said people can't have whatever opinion they want, even if it is wrong. They can, and I even stated that recently in this thread. I said that having a wrong opinion and continually arguing that standpoint does nothing but stump the thread because people have to keep going back and explaining things that have already been dealt with. I agree, whether or not abortion is murder IS a central part of the debate, so since it factually is not (your whining and tantrum throwing regardless), those people claiming that it is are serving no purpose but to slow the debate down.-AC
I think technichally (legally) it may not be, the fact that abortion is not murder doesn't mean it isn't. To draw a comparison: many animal rights activists would claim that animal testing is torture and/or murder. Technically it isn't, but that it is only because the people who have classified murder (and authorised animal testing) have said that is the case. To many other people it is murder. As a concept, murder is difficult to define. So, to those people who believe it to be murder, while you have the technical and legal high ground, you do not have any factual basis to tell them they are wrong.
You can, though, tell them that they are hypocritical for defending a 'clump of cells' over animals (a much more developed organism).