Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Votes don't mean anything on this site.-AC
1. Its a biased sample (KMC members).
2. Its based on people who look at this thread....and then decide to vote...which is likely to be the more passionate and extremests ends of the spectrum.
-1. Its just a stupid poll and no one thinks its credible.
-2. It has been running for some time, and is in a public place...it may be very likely that it is representative of KMC members.
OK, so pro-choice doesn't work, because the other side isn't trying to remove choice from the equation. Pro-abortion doesn't work apparently because the "pro-choice" people aren't really in favor of abortion, just keeping it as one of the choices (ooh, big difference). Pro-life is wrong, because the other side isn't anti-life.
can we settle on pro and anti-ban?
Originally posted by docb77
OK, so pro-choice doesn't work, because the other side isn't trying to remove choice from the equation. Pro-abortion doesn't work apparently because the "pro-choice" people aren't really in favor of abortion, just keeping it as one of the choices (ooh, big difference). Pro-life is wrong, because the other side isn't anti-life.can we settle on pro and anti-ban?
I don't think we can. Pro-choice people are made out by conservatives and very often the media (I AM NOT BLAMING THE MEDIA) to be pro-abortion, when in reality, most pro-choice people simply think that the choice shoudl remain open and be a personal decision between and woman and her doctor of choice (and her family if she chooses).
Pro-lifers (which is ironic, because some would rather let the mother die than have an abortion 🤨 ) are anti-chioce, but pro-choicers are not anti-life.
Originally posted by docb77
OK, so pro-choice doesn't work, because the other side isn't trying to remove choice from the equation. Pro-abortion doesn't work apparently because the "pro-choice" people aren't really in favor of abortion, just keeping it as one of the choices (ooh, big difference). Pro-life is wrong, because the other side isn't anti-life.can we settle on pro and anti-ban?
Why should we have to agree with you on a new term, simply because you don't get the obvious difference between being pro-choice and pro-abortion? I don't buy that. I get the difference, it works for me, I can understand it.
You say "Ooh, big difference.", well yes. It's a difference big enough to be a seperate stance. People who believe abortion is the best option, the first option, they are pro-abortion. Those who are pro-choice simply believe in abortion being an option in general, even if the woman chooses otherwise.
We get it perfectly well, you don't. That said, people have proven themselves to have beliefs that dip into both/all sides, so it's pointless to try and create a name for every single possible stance.
-AC
Originally posted by Alliance
I don't think we can. Pro-choice people are made out by conservatives and very often the media (I AM NOT BLAMING THE MEDIA) to be pro-abortion, when in reality, most pro-choice people simply think that the choice shoudl remain open and be a personal decision between and woman and her doctor of choice (and her family if she chooses).
That's where I fall. I think Abortion is a cruel choice, but should be left open, because to ban it would be forcing agony upon the woman, which seems worse to me.
Originally posted by Alliance
Pro-lifers (which is ironic, because some would rather let the mother die than have an abortion 🤨 ) are anti-chioce, but pro-choicers are not anti-life.
Some pro-lifers dont like the idea of having an innocent life being chopped up or burnt by salt solution. I can understand that. But at the same time, If the abortion is done early enough, then no one feels any pain, and I don't see a problem.
Pro lifers tend to ignore that part of it. 🙄
Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
Have you ever seen the end result of an abortion? They cut the child up in little pieces, first the head is removed, then the arms, the chest and legs. Abortion are now done up to a 31 weeks at which point the baby CAN feel. At 31 weeks a baby can be delivered safe and whole and yet now they are ending up in the trash behind buildings. Its sicking but oh its a choice, It just not one a person can truly live with if they ever knew. But the women of today are to selfish to think of anything but them self's and there figure.
Partial birth abortions are done only when 100% nescesary. You don't think women just up and have an abortion at 31 weeks just because they feel like it, do you? Ever heard of a condition called Hydrocephaly? Look it up. Partial birth abortions are performed in these cases, as they are safest to the mother.
Women are given a drug which is passed to the baby-the child feels nothing during the abortion-no waving of arms or legs as pro life propaganda would have you believe. Late term abortion sickens me, but it is only done when it is needed to.
Originally posted by Alliance
YEAH! And we can just abort it if its black, homosexual, or has down syndrome!!! Maybe its nose is too big!
If I discovered I was pregnant with a Down Syndrome child, I would abort. I know my capabilities, and I know I would not be able to care for a special needs child.
I would also abort if I discovered my unborn baby had Cystic Fibrosis. There is no way I would give birth to a beautiful baby, only to watch that child die painfully from a build up of fluid in the lungs.
Originally posted by Nichole
The title of this poll should really be 'Do You Support Abortion', not whether you believe in it. I don't believe in it, but I support it, if that makes any sense.I support the choice, not the act. If we take one right away from women, we may as well take every right.
True. Because then we'd be forcing every woman to endure the pain of child birth even when she doesn't want the baby.
How is that any better ?
Originally posted by Nichole
If I discovered I was pregnant with a Down Syndrome child, I would abort. I know my capabilities, and I know I would not be able to care for a special needs child.I would also abort if I discovered my unborn baby had Cystic Fibrosis. There is no way I would give birth to a beautiful baby, only to watch that child die painfully from a build up of fluid in the lungs.
Wow, weird
Originally posted by Nichole
If I discovered I was pregnant with a Down Syndrome child, I would abort. I know my capabilities, and I know I would not be able to care for a special needs child.I would also abort if I discovered my unborn baby had Cystic Fibrosis. There is no way I would give birth to a beautiful baby, only to watch that child die painfully from a build up of fluid in the lungs.
Doens't that border on negative eugenics? The baby may have down syndrome, but its still your child.
Maybe your kid has blue eyes...or its skin is too dark. I would abort those children too.
Originally posted by AllianceThat's getting a bit hysterical, somewhat slippery slope fallacious.
Doens't that border on negative eugenics? The baby may have down syndrome, but its still your child.Maybe your kid has blue eyes...or its skin is too dark. I would abort those children too.
CVS and amniocentesis are regularly performed on older woman to determine whether the fetus has any genetical-based debilitating conditions such as Down's Syndrome. Some pregnant woman determine abortion to be the best option, if their progeny will suffer from a severe illness and/or die at an early age. That is their decision.
In IVF, preimplantation screening is often used in cases where the progenitor has or has family history of genetic illness, such as Huntington's.