Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It does, actually. We've been over this a million times.We're not discussing trucks hitting females. We're discussing abortion, which isn't murder.
-AC
No... There are limits for when an abortion passes from being an abortion to being murder... You have acknowledged this in the past. If a woman decided to 'abort' her baby say 7 months into her pregnancy, it would be murder, not abortion.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, it wouldn't. Quite simply.-AC
Yes it would, you do realize there is a time limit to when a woman can legally get an abortion right? It is 12 weeks in America, not sure about other countries. An aborption performed after 12 weeks, let alone 7 months would be considered murder unless there were valid medical reasons why a 12+ week old baby had to be aborted.
Originally posted by RobtardThe gestational age after which abortion without medical necessity is prohibited in the United States varies by State. Interestingly, from what I understand of it at least, several of these statutes while still remaining in State legislation have been overturned by subsequent Federal rulings.
Yes it would, you do realize there is a time limit to when a woman can legally get an abortion right? It is 12 weeks in America, not sure about other countries. An aborption performed after 12 weeks, let alone 7 months would be considered murder unless there were valid medical reasons why a 12+ week old baby had to be aborted.
It's not a "baby". It's a fetus.
Negligent homicide charges all round for pregnant women who miscarry in their second trimester.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes it would, you do realize there is a time limit to when a woman can legally get an abortion right? It is 12 weeks in America, not sure about other countries. An aborption performed after 12 weeks, let alone 7 months would be considered murder unless there were valid medical reasons why a 12+ week old baby had to be aborted.
The legal definition of murder (the only definition) is very specific not only to circumstance, but victim.
A foetus isn't suitable.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The legal definition of murder (the only definition) is very specific not only to circumstance, but victim.A foetus isn't suitable.
-AC
So if a woman were to have an abortion at 13 weeks to 9 months, it wouldn't be murder? Or where would you consider it murder if at all?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The gestational age after which abortion without medical necessity is prohibited in the United States varies by State. Interestingly, from what I understand of it at least, several of these statutes while still remaining in State legislation have been overturned by subsequent Federal rulings.It's not a "baby". It's a fetus.
Negligent homicide charges all round for pregnant women who miscarry in their second trimester.
12 weeks at least in California, I think most states are the same or very close.
Ok, you're right, even at 7 months it is sill a fetus, but do you seriously think that it wouldn't be murder if one were to abort the fetus that far along?
That's just being stupid, obviously miscarriages happen and it isn't necessarily anyones fault.
Originally posted by Robtard
So if a woman were to have an abortion at 13 weeks to 9 months, it wouldn't be murder? Or where would you consider it murder if at all?
This is where you're getting confused.
I have no right to consider anything murder that isn't legally murder, nor does anyone.
You can't go around deciding what is and isn't murder. Murder is a specific legal claim with specific charges and parameters, it's not just a label you can throw out when a type of killing is to your distaste. If that were the case, almost anyone could be charged with murder if people simply classed it as murder.
Killing is an act, and there are many different kinds of killing. Murder, manslaughter, justifiable homicide etc. You can't just go around applying the "Murder" tag to abortion. It's not murder.
If you cannot be tried for murder, then it's not murder. It doesn't matter how wrong, disgusting or immoral you believe it is, it's not murder if it's not applicable.
That's simple.
-AC
Originally posted by Grimm22
How would I be responsible for murder?!?! 🤨The guy deserves it for all the killing he has done. Im not going to shelter a monster like that.
for forcing him to face an murderous mob, you would be an accessory to murder.
by "kicking him to the curb" with full knowledge of what was happening, you would be party responsible for the killing of an innocent man. innocent in the eyes of the law as opposed to your own convoluted religious and/or ethical beliefs. so, since the court of law would most likely agree with me, i will stand by what i said.
kthx hypocrite. have fun hating people, because thats all that seems to bond people like you share: common hate and intolerance.
Originally posted by Grimm22
This coming from you is hilarious.Second, im willing to forgive people if they admit what they did wrong first.
its not your place to decide life and death as per what you forgive. in fact, thats criminal...as well as a mortal sin.......wow!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is where you're getting confused.I have no right to consider anything murder that isn't legally murder, nor does anyone.
You can't go around deciding what is and isn't murder. Murder is a specific legal claim with specific charges and parameters, it's not just a label you can throw out when a type of killing is to your distaste. If that were the case, almost anyone could be charged with murder if people simply classed it as murder.
Killing is an act, and there are many different kinds of killing. Murder, manslaughter, justifiable homicide etc. You can't just go around applying the "Murder" tag to abortion. It's not murder.
If you cannot be tried for murder, then it's not murder. It doesn't matter how wrong, disgusting or immoral you believe it is, it's not murder if it's not applicable.
That's simple.
-AC
Not confused...
Then who is to decide what murder is or where the line is drawn if not 'us'? You can think that since a fetus cannot survive without it's mother, killing the fetus isn't murder, then again, a new born baby cannot survive without its mother also. Where do you draw the line then? Should abortions be allowed up to the point of birth since it is still technically a fetus and not a person until it has passed through the birth canal?
Murder is defined as 'the crime of unlawfully killing a person' , a 7 (even younger) month old fetus can survive outside the womb just as a 10 month old baby could.
Originally posted by Robtard
You can think that since a fetus cannot survive without it's mother, killing the fetus isn't murder, then again, a new born baby cannot survive without its mother also.
WRONG. granted, a newborn needs to be constantly tended to, but the mother is not vital to its survival. it is a self contained being with no biological dependance on the mother.
Originally posted by Robtard
Then who is to decide what murder is or where the line is drawn if not 'us'?
Why does that even matter? You can't realistically go around claiming things you don't like, as murder. If someone killed your father by accident during a fight, no matter how much you could rant and rave about it being murder, it would never get seen as murder, because of the circumstance, the mindset and other factors.
The same as abortion. It's just not murder. Murder is a legal concept created to help define a single type of killing, this doesn't include abortion.
You LITERALLY do have the freedom to say "It's murder!", but it's a ridiculous claim.
Originally posted by Robtard
You can think that since a fetus cannot survive without it's mother, killing the fetus isn't murder, then again, a new born baby cannot survive without its mother also. Where do you draw the line then? Should abortions be allowed up to the point of birth since it is still technically a fetus and not a person until it has passed through the birth canal?
I honestly don't care what any woman does with her foetus, it's nothing to do with me. I don't have any right to be telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her foetus/baby/child.
Suck it out and use it as a football, see if I care. I don't have to approve, but I don't have to care.
Originally posted by Robtard
Murder is defined as 'the crime of unlawfully killing a person' , a 7 (even younger) month old fetus can survive outside the womb just as a 10 month old baby could.
Unlawful killing of a person.
Abortion isn't unlawful, nor is it killing a "person". The courts would not see some newborn foetus as a person.
Contrary to semantics, a newborn baby, left unattended for a long time, will die. It cannot survive on its own. It can exist on its own.
-AC