Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What I meant was that I think it's very hypocritical of you to say that it feels better without a condom and you like doing it without a condom, and will CONTINUE to do so without a condom, simply cos you can get away with pregnancy, only to tell other females not to enjoy themselves cos they can.

Would you take the oppurtunity if you could?

I don't exactly understand where you got the idea that I said it was going to be un-enjoyable for every other woman on this other, nor did I flaunt the fact that I am infertile, I just stated it. I didn't say "You're fertile, you have to have sex with a condom and it's going to suck! Hahahahahaha."

edit: Also, that's not even fully the case, there are many many other effective forms of birth control, like the birth control pill. Would I still be disgusting if I chose to be on the pill and didn't use a condom?

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Would you take the oppurtunity if you could?

I don't exactly understand where you got the idea that I said it was going to be un-enjoyable for every other woman on this other, nor did I flaunt the fact that I am infertile, I just stated it. I didn't say "You're fertile, you have to have sex with a condom and it's going to suck! Hahahahahaha."

That's not relevant, I never said you were flaunting it, I said I feel you're being careless because you are getting away with it. If you believe unprotected sex is better, as do many other men and women, why not just accept that they will, and be pro-choice? Nobody is asking you to like abortion, just accept that it needs to exist and not try to ban it, because that's stupid.

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Also, that's not even fully the case, there are many many other effective forms of birth control, like the birth control pill. Would I still be disgusting if I chose to be on the pill and didn't use a condom?

No, as long as you aren't going to stop women choosing abortion, or try to stop them.

As I asked you: "If you got AIDS, would you feel bad if a doctor or any human said 'No treatment for you, deal with it.'"?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's not relevant, I never said you were flaunting it, I said I feel you're being careless because you are getting away with it. If you believe unprotected sex is better, as do many other men and women, why not just accept that they will, and be pro-choice? Nobody is asking you to like abortion, just accept that it needs to exist and not try to ban it, because that's stupid.

No, as long as you aren't going to stop women choosing abortion, or try to stop them.

As I asked you: "If you got AIDS, would you feel bad if a doctor or any human said 'No treatment for you, deal with it.'"?

-AC

And to answer the quote, no. If it were me it'd be my burden to deal with but I actually took the extra step and tested my other before any sexual contact was made, to answer it on a personal level.

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
I edited my post. And I did not come in here with anything other than a question to be answered for opinions and to see what people thought. It doesn't exactly matter what I think anyway considering abortion will always be around.

So you're pro-choice.

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
And to answer the quote, no. If it were me it'd be my burden to deal with but I actually took the extra step and tested my other before any sexual contact was made, to answer it on a personal level.

I don't believe you for a second. I don't believe that if you got a sexual disease, you wouldn't take treatment, despite the possibility of dying.

-AC

AC... you have an odd way of coercing women into bed with you. What's you success ratio, if it's over 87%, I'll request you take me under your wing, sensai.

NO that's not what I meant! I read your quote as "You got AIDS. There are absolutely no treatments, deal with it." And I said that if it were me, that's where the irresponsibility of my past would come in and I really would deal with it. If there WERE treatments to help the AIDS then yes I would take it.

Everytime.

That's my success ratio.

-AC

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
NO that's not what I meant! I read your quote as "You got AIDS. There are absolutely no treatments, deal with it." And I said that if it were me, that's where the irresponsibility of my past would come in and I really would deal with it. If there WERE treatments to help the AIDS then yes I would take it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So...you just absolutely did not understand his analogy?

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Yes.

He compared a doctor denying treatment to an AIDS patient to you crazy pro-life bastards wanting to ban abortion (treatement against pregnancy)

Originally posted by InnerRise
STDs. 😐

That's why it's irresponsible. It's not all about pregnancy and abortions.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

I know people can lie, the god I don't believe in knows I know it, but if your partner, the only partner you are with, has no STDs, I really see no problem.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Cool. Well, it was pretty easy.

He compared a doctor denying treatment to an AIDS patient to you crazy pro-life bastards wanting to ban abortion (treatement against pregnancy)

That's a bad analogy... surely, there are better.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's a bad analogy... surely, there are better.

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
NO that's not what I meant! I read your quote as "You got AIDS. There are absolutely no treatments, deal with it." And I said that if it were me, that's where the irresponsibility of my past would come in and I really would deal with it. If there WERE treatments to help the AIDS then yes I would take it.

Exactly, so you didn't get what I said. I said if there were, and you asked, and were REFUSED, you wouldn't find it fair. There are treatments, so you'd take it despite being irresponsible without condoms, so why should abortion not be allowed?

Answer: it should.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not really.

No, really, it is a terrible analogy... One factually is a deadly disease, the other isn't, besides other factors. No matter how much you people rant about "child birth is gross, ewww". There are better analogies, ones that make sense, I am certain of that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly, so you didn't get what I said. I said if there were, and you asked, and were REFUSED, you wouldn't find it fair. There are treatments, so you'd take it despite being irresponsible without condoms, so why should abortion not be allowed?

Answer: it should.

-AC

How is she being irresponsible? She's only with one person. She's mature enough to understand sex, and its capabilities.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, really, it is a terrible analogy... One factually is a deadly disease, the other isn't, besides other factors. No matter how much you people rant about "child birth is gross, ewww". There are better analogies, ones that make sense, I am certain of that.

The point isn't in whether one is deadly or not, it's taking apart the argument of "You were irresponsible, so you don't deserve an abortion.".

If you f*ck around without a condom, someone could easily say you don't deserve treatment.

Originally posted by SelphieT
How is she being irresponsible? She's only with one person. She's mature enough to understand sex, and its capabilities.

I've covered this with my above point.

If she knows for 100% certain that neither of them have STDs, then fine, and we don't have any proof she is actually infertile either do we?

-AC

Originally posted by SelphieT
I know people can lie, the god I don't believe in knows I know it, but if your partner, the only partner you are with, has no STDs, I really see no problem.

What if it turns out that ol' Seb, is a bit of a smack head and has been using dirty needles?

Does look like a bit of a heroin user.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The point isn't in whether one is deadly or not, it's taking apart the argument of "You were irresponsible, so you don't deserve an abortion.".

If you f*ck around without a condom, someone could easily say you don't deserve treatment.

-AC

The difference there though, the treatment for an STD only affects the person, an abortion affects something else, besides the person. Why I think the analogy is flawed.