Originally posted by gryphon28
I don't think women should get an abortion if they don't want it they could at least give it up
Abortion is not something that can only happen to other people. 'Cause you make it sound like it is. It can happen to you. Not just to stupid whores. I read that most of the abortions take place in the red states. So most people don't really practice what they preach.
Also, the planet doesn't grow with the population.
You know what? If one day, every kid on earth is with their biological or adoptive parents, they have somewhere to live and something to eat and I get pregnant and I don't want the baby, I'm gonna give birth to it and give it up for adoption. Perhaps you could take it.
Originally posted by Dulcie
I read that most of the abortions take place in the red states. So most people don't really practice what they preach.
there are likely other explanations here too
there might be no people who are both against abortions and having one in those states if something like sub standard sex ed is causing those who aren't against them to have unsafe and risky sexual practices.
all i can really say is if it's ok to execute a death row inmate for a murder charge how come a woman cant have rights of what she wants done? my opinion from a guys prospective is if parents teach there kids about birth control and not disown them maybe a majority of pregnant teenage girls wont get abortions for that reason. same with the baby's father... alot of women get abortions because a certain number of people are single and cant care for it alone. this is a really hard topic because im a guy and i have no kids but the stuff i just said is a good question and good documented evidence
Originally posted by TazzMission2023
all i can really say is if it's ok to execute a death row inmate for a murder charge how come a woman cant have rights of what she wants done?
1) people who are against others being allowed to have abortions believe that a child is alive and an independent organism which needs to be protected before it is able to make decisions for itself.
2) because of this, the child's assumed desire to be born (or, more legalistically, their right to life) supersedes the wishes of the mother, much like you would not have the right to kill someone who is a nuisance to you because of their right to life.
3) the right to life is given at conception, but is not absolute. There are reasons, subjectively justifiable based on certain moral codes, that this right can be taken away, but they rely entirely on the actions of the individual.
4) A person can choose to do something so heinous, that it breaks one of these moral codes, and thus lose their right to life.
5) since an unborn child cannot have done such things, there is no valid reason to revoke their right to life.
6) in the future, if the person who the child grows into decides to break said moral codes, they loose the right to life, and can be killed.
Originally posted by inimalist
1) people who are against others being allowed to have abortions believe that a child is alive and an independent organism which needs to be protected before it is able to make decisions for itself.2) because of this, the child's assumed desire to be born (or, more legalistically, their right to life) supersedes the wishes of the mother, much like you would not have the right to kill someone who is a nuisance to you because of their right to life.
3) the right to life is given at conception, but is not absolute. There are reasons, subjectively justifiable based on certain moral codes, that this right can be taken away, but they rely entirely on the actions of the individual.
4) A person can choose to do something so heinous, that it breaks one of these moral codes, and thus lose their right to life.
5) since an unborn child cannot have done such things, there is no valid reason to revoke their right to life.
6) in the future, if the person who the child grows into decides to break said moral codes, they loose the right to life, and can be killed.
but still it's playing god on both parts. are you saying its ok to tell a person they cant have a abortion but they can take a prisoners life for a crime they comited 40 years ago. and im refering to stanley tookie williams. arnold shwarzzenegger executed williams when arny was up for re-election. is that ok to execute a man who was in prison since 1973 and uses the death penalty for political gain?
It's vagina envy. Women don't have a problem with anything men do. The very fact that women are the ones to carry a fetus to full term and give birth to it seems to make some men insecure. I can understand you having an opinion on keeping your own child or not. But don't you have a life to live?
What if I told you to cut your balls off?
Originally posted by Dulcie
It's vagina envy. Women don't have a problem with anything men do. The very fact that women are the ones to carry a fetus to full term and give birth to it seems to make some men insecure. I can understand you having an opinion on keeping your own child or not. But don't you have a life to live?
What if I told you to cut your balls off?
lol that will never happen because my choice is to keep my balls.
Originally posted by TazzMission2023
but still it's playing god on both parts. are you saying its ok to tell a person they cant have a abortion but they can take a prisoners life for a crime they comited 40 years ago. and im refering to stanley tookie williams. arnold shwarzzenegger executed williams when arny was up for re-election. is that ok to execute a man who was in prison since 1973 and uses the death penalty for political gain?
you asked for a break down of the logic
obviously, to someone who holds that stance, yes, it is ok to kill Tookie. The timing is irrelevant if he forfeited his right to life.
I'd think, in that case though, you would be better off, instead of looking at the political angle, look at the pragmatic angle. There is controversy over whether Tookie was the gun man in the robbery. More importantly, Tookie had been a model inmate, and ran a web site and published work dedicated to getting youth out of gangs and crime. While nobody is privy to his internal thoughts, there is ample reason to believe that he had a) learned his lesson and b) had a potential for rehabilitation. This last point is added to by his anti-violence and anti-gun stances, and the potential for him to be a positive role model in society.
Originally posted by Dulcie
It's vagina envy. Women don't have a problem with anything men do. The very fact that women are the ones to carry a fetus to full term and give birth to it seems to make some men insecure. I can understand you having an opinion on keeping your own child or not. But don't you have a life to live?
What if I told you to cut your balls off?
aside from the non-sequitor, are you saying that in any normal situation, the potential father of the child should have no say, not necessarily the final say, in whether or not their child is aborted?
I'm not saying they should be able to say whether a woman gets an abortion or not, but if a man knocked you up, you wouldn't even talk to him about his child?
Sweetheart, I said:
Originally posted by Dulcie
I can understand you having an opinion on keeping your own child or not.
And I meant you as in you not in general.
I think a man should know if a girl is pregnant with his child. His opinion is appreciated but it's not his call.
But just because I think something I'm not gonna make running around and thrusting my so-called values down on other people's throat.
A man has no say, but he has every right to know.
Originally posted by gryphon28
Women could at least give the baby away instead of getting a abortion it's because of them and their lover's actions that the baby is there I think It at least deserves to live
Okay, then why don't you leave the planet and make room for those babies?
"Those actions" are called sex, honey. And just because you don't seem to enjoy sex, you shouldn't judge people who do. And I'll say it again. Accidental pregnancy doesn't just happen to whores. It can happen to YOU and no matter what you say, you can't predict what you'd do in such situation. So go and worry about the millions who are already here and live their lives in poverty. THEY deserve to live.
Originally posted by Dulcieyes that's exactly it. that's the issue of abortion in a nutshell. we are so jealous of you women... we just wish we could be bestowed the honor of getting knocked up at a frat party and eventually having our own little bundle of joy aborted. you haven't truly lived life to the fullest untill you've had a doctor surgically remove your offspring.
It's vagina envy. Women don't have a problem with anything men do. The very fact that women are the ones to carry a fetus to full term and give birth to it seems to make some men insecure. I can understand you having an opinion on keeping your own child or not. But don't you have a life to live?
What if I told you to cut your balls off?
no, really. well done.
Originally posted by Dulcie
"Those actions" are called sex, honey. And just because you don't seem to enjoy sex, you shouldn't judge people who do.
That's an extremely odd conclusion to jump to about him/her. Not to mention that the minimum age on this board is 13 and as such Chris Hanson is now heading for your house.
Originally posted by Dulcie
It can happen to YOU
Not to me. I'm a dude.
Every bit of reasoning would be foolish from my part. If you didn't get it, I'm not gonna explain it to you. Look deeper. 'Cause you can laugh and make fun of it or you can think. Maybe someone gets it, it's statistically impossible for everyone to be smart.
And it doesn't just happen at frat parties, and not only to teens. It can happen to responsible adults. Failed contraception? Anyone?
And I'm sorry, I should've quoted the gal who lives in a fantasy world. That was meant for her, getting pregnant. My bad.
Originally posted by Dulciemy apologies then. what i meant to say is i and all other males are deeply jealous that we can't ge knocked up in a responsible adult fashion and have to get an abortion as a reasonable adult. you were right. we envy the priveledges of having a vagina. (such as taking a dick or killing a fetus)
Every bit of reasoning would be foolish from my part. If you didn't get it, I'm not gonna explain it to you. Look deeper. 'Cause you can laugh and make fun of it or you can think. Maybe someone gets it, it's statistically impossible for everyone to be smart.
And it doesn't just happen at frat parties, and not only to teens. It can happen to responsible adults. Failed contraception? Anyone?And I'm sorry, I should've quoted the gal who lives in a fantasy world. That was meant for her, getting pregnant. My bad.
Originally posted by Dulcie
Every bit of reasoning would be foolish from my part.
I think you dropped the predicate on that. Why or under what circumstances would every bit of your reasoning be foolish?
Originally posted by Dulcie
'Cause you can laugh and make fun of it or you can think.
Or both. It's not very hard. Obviously abortion and unwanted pregnancy are serious issues. Nevertheless, when someone says something silly during a discussion about them laughing may be in poor taste but it's still a reasonable reaction.
Originally posted by Dulcie
And I'm sorry, I should've quoted the gal who lives in a fantasy world. That was meant for her, getting pregnant. My bad.
I had guessed that. Just having a chuckle doll-face. More seriously, you should quote people, otherwise it's difficult to tell who you're addressing with each post (or part of the post). Some people just say "@Poster's Name" rather than quoting in order to save time.
Originally posted by Dulcie
Okay, then why don't you leave the planet and make room for those babies?
"Those actions" are called sex, honey. And just because you don't seem to enjoy sex, you shouldn't judge people who do. And I'll say it again. Accidental pregnancy doesn't just happen to whores. It can happen to YOU and no matter what you say, you can't predict what you'd do in such situation. So go and worry about the millions who are already here and live their lives in poverty. THEY deserve to live.
What did you have an Abortion 🙁 🙄
Get this straight honey this(should give away the baby) is my opion and if you don't like it get over it okay
Originally posted by TKM
Um Okay...so anyways, since I just have to add my opinion, I can't be pro life, choice, or abortion because it really depends on the circumstances. If I was give a little more info I could be more opinionated.
Then you would be pro-choice. Pro-life and Pro-abortion (which doesn't exist by the way) both consider circumstances meaningless.