Abortion

Originally posted by fever red
No, the pill is an abortifacient. Hmm, spelling...that looks wrong? Uh, it makes with the abortion. Yeh, that sounds better.
It prevents fertilized eggs from attaching to the lining of a woman's womb. The term "contraceptive," is a misnomer. Uh, a wrong name thingy.
Time for coffee...

I don't know where you got that information, but you only got half of the truth.

"The birth control pill works primarily by blocking ovulation (release of an egg). If there is no egg to meet the sperm, pregnancy cannot occur. The pill also works by making cervical mucous thick and unreceptive to sperm, slowing tubal function which has to move the egg down the tube to meet the sperm, and by making the lining of the endometrium unreceptive to implantation of a fertilized egg should one get as far as the uterus. In general, women do not ovulate until at least 10 days after stopping birth control pills. "
wdxcyber.com/bcp.htm

The majority of the time the egg is never released. For the rare instances that it is released, they have made the lining unreceptive to fertilized eggs. But the woman is not pregnant until the egg is implanted, therefore it is preventing a pregnancy from occurring. I read an interesting article on pharmacists withholding women's birth control pills due to their own beliefs against birth control. Apparently some do consider it a form of abortion, but it's only extreme anti-abortionists that believe this. In case you're wondering, that's not a group I'm part of.

Afro_Cheese> The POINT is (yes, the pill does also prevent ovulation but not ALL the time) that the pill, when an egg IS released, WILL cause a chemical abortion.

In other words, all chemical forms of birth control, including the pill, cause abortions--and no one can know whether or when they have worked by their primary means or in this last-resort manner. This means that any discussion about the morality or legality of abortion necessarily entangles us in the morality and legality of the use of the pill and related implants and injections. This is all the more true given that women can deliberately cause this early-abortion effect up to three days after intercourse by taking a double or triple dose of their ordinary birth control pills (basically the idea behind the abortion pill).

Actually, I read on another site that there are two forms of birth control pills. The above mentioned pill and another "mini pill" which strictly uses hormones, but is less reliable (but not much). They do have ways to know which way the pill worked, I can't find the site right now but maybe I'll remember to try to find it again at school tomorrow.

Also, I don't believe that to be chemical abortion because like I said, the egg hasn't been implanted yet. And I think thats much better than "vacuum suction" any day.

Abortion=death!!!...........period!And the women that say it is a choice?They made the choice long before they got pregnant!

I am n ot sure what you are saying?Can you please exclaim it to me?Thanks!JM

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I am n ot sure what you are saying?Can you please exclaim it to me?Thanks!JM

I'm really starting to worry about you. Are you handicapped or something? I mean, come clean, at least so I can understand where you're coming from.

It is the same as stabing a baby or shooting one.JM

no its not, because, and illl say this slowly for your benefit...

i-t i-s n-o-t a b-a-b-y y-e-t

You people SHOULD really stick to the topic and not baffle yourselves with other members that don't make sense! Seriously take YOUR ranting and personal comments SOMEWHERE ELSE! This topic is for people that want to be inform and discuss Abortion. Don't interrupt the arguments with your pointless rants to each other! 😒

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Now, onto the topic of the pill. There are several types of the Pill on the market, but they basically break down into two groups: combination pills and the progestin-only "minipill."

The combination type contain two artificial steroids that mimic the effects of naturally occurring hormones, estrogen and progesterone. Some pills work in a "monophasic" way, keeping the dosage of hormones the same throughout the pill cycle. Others work in a biphasic or triphasic manner which alters the dosage of artificial hormones two or three times respectively through the cycle of pills, attempting to produce fluctuations similar to what a fertile woman would undergo naturally. The progestin-only "minipill" uses only one artificial hormone, progestin, which is a steroid that has a progestational effect similar to natural progesterone.

Women who take the Pill have been reported to experience bleeding or spotting in mid-cycle, changes in menstrual flow, and even loss of menstruation, which can lead them to wonder if they are pregnant. For some, painful menstruation (dysmenorrhea) has been reported to worsen, even though many women take these hormones in an attempt to relieve the problem. Although some women are given the Pill for irregular cycles, it does nothing to improve the underlying problem causing the irregularity. Often the irregularity returns when the Pill is discontinued, sometimes more severely.

Is the Pill the only solution? Certainly, not. Even thought I highly aproved it for certain cases. There is a BETTER method than Abortion to stop an unwanted pregnancy. What is my alternative to using the Pill? Is called Natural Family Planning (NFP)

The natural family planning is safe, healthy and effective and it’s also inexpensive. A woman observes and records changes in her basal body temperature, the normal flow of cervical mucus, and if she wishes, the physical changes in the cervix itself. She then cross-checks these signs of fertility to follow, day by day, the natural course of her fertility cycle. No drugs, no devices, no surgical procedures, no threat of death, no side effects, no chemical abortions!

You people SHOULD really stick to the topic and not baffle yourselves with other members that don't make sense! Seriously take YOUR ranting and personal comments SOMEWHERE ELSE! This topic is for people that want to be inform and discuss Abortion. Don't interrupt the arguments with your pointless rants to each other!

dude, i had a valid point...

The fact of the matter is, it's so very considerate of you to come up with many nice and nasty alternatives to abortion, really it is. But how about we just let those who want to have them, have them? How about we do that? How about we let them make life decisions on their own given that it's their body their "baby" and their life?

Can we all try that? I think it might work you know. There's an alternative to speeding motorcycles, nice ones. Like bicycles. I choose to ride a motorcycle and no amount of trying to convince me it'd be nicer or more beneficial for me to ride a bicycle is gonna stop me. Same with abortion, if a woman wants one, sees the alternatives and still doesn't want them, it's her choice.

-AC

The fact of the matter is, it's so very considerate of you to come up with many nice and nasty alternatives to abortion, really it is. But how about we just let those who want to have them, have them? How about we do that? How about we let them make life decisions on their own given that it's their body their "baby" and their life?

Can we all try that? I think it might work you know. There's an alternative to speeding motorcycles, nice ones. Like bicycles. I choose to ride a motorcycle and no amount of trying to convince me it'd be nicer or more beneficial for me to ride a bicycle is gonna stop me. Same with abortion, if a woman wants one, sees the alternatives and still doesn't want them, it's her choice.

-AC

you'd think it would be that simple wouldn't you... unfortunately rational thought seems to elude so many people.

Fine by me. If they want to have an abortion instead of being properly inform of other choices is their decision. Is their body they could do whatever they pleased. The thing is that I'd much rather people will inform themselves about other options to abortion. Not just say "I'm having an abortion" without knowing other options. You seen to speak in defense of Abortionist why don't you also take a stand on information? Trust me! To be inform before making a decision is waaaaay much better.

of course, it'd be great if a woman was able to consider all the options and then had the the freedom to decide if abortion is the right choice (if its not, then fine, but she should have the choice in the first place), the only thing that pisses me off is that it may become a type of birth control and be abused, which is wrong imo.

Except, WindDancer, I highly doubt that all women who have abortions are totally clueless to other alternatives. What you're saying is that women who have abortions are ignorant, which I find to be a pretty offensive statement.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Except, WindDancer, I highly doubt that all women who have abortions are totally clueless to other alternatives. What you're saying is that women who have abortions are ignorant, which I find to be a pretty offensive statement.

No, do not take my statement that way. I'm not saying women that have abortions are ignorant. What I'm saying is that before making the choice of an abortion is better to look at other posibilities. I'm not calling anyone ignorant. All I'm saying that there should be information regarding other choices.

Good info on the pill...thanks, all.
By the way, I tested Feceman's assumption of spontaneous conception by snoozing on the couch this afternoon. In about a week, we'll know if I've managed to get myself in trouble.

Originally posted by pr1983
of course, it'd be great if a woman was able to consider all the options and then had the the freedom to decide if abortion is the right choice (if its not, then fine, but she should have the choice in the first place), the only thing that pisses me off is that it may become a type of birth control and be abused, which is wrong imo.

It already is widely abused. The fact that people always have abortion creates a sort of loophole in responsibility and paying the consequences for your actions. The problem is, there is no reasonable way to ban it for some and legalize it for others. It's just one of those things that has to be legal no matter how many people don't agree with it. This is the reason why even though I really am not crazy about the practice of abortion, I am technically pro-choice. I look at it this way: even if you have a group of 10 women and 9 of them vote not to have abortions, that is taking away the 10th woman's rights even if she is in the minority.

That's pretty much my position, too.

It already is widely abused. The fact that people always have abortion creates a sort of loophole in responsibility and paying the consequences for your actions. The problem is, there is no reasonable way to ban it for some and legalize it for others. It's just one of those things that has to be legal no matter how many people don't agree with it. This is the reason why even though I really am not crazy about the practice of abortion, I am technically pro-choice. I look at it this way: even if you have a group of 10 women and 9 of them vote not to have abortions, that is taking away the 10th woman's rights even if she is in the minority.

thats sort of what i was trying to say. my statement was sort of a 'in a perfect world' sort of thing. your absolutely right, it has to be legal. i'm not crazy about it either in some cases, but that doesn't mean that the choice should be removed. i agree with you.

"Fine by me. If they want to have an abortion instead of being properly inform of other choices is their decision."

Why do you automatically assume they are doing it without being properly informed? What if they are and they still want it?

Stop being so selfish people. Seriously, it's disgraceful. People misuse motorcycles, cars, sporting equipment and kitchen utensils but banning them is rather ridiculous on account of alot of morons isn't it? People WILL abuse abortions and that's inconsiderate but in all honesty, what are ya gonna do? Not fair to penalise the world for the idiots.

-AC