Abortion

Originally posted by inimalist
I hold my life more important than most things

that doesn't give it any objective value

as to the potential, why then that point? it is no less arbitrary than any other moment during development

Selfish.

Define objective value.

This is were we disagree, just sperm or just an egg haven't united and begun that "developement", ergo, I don't equate abortion as being like the spilling of sperm during masturbation. You (and others) feel otherwise.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No it wasn't. You can't even follow a simple conversation, dude.

Which mean jackshit. I even illustrated to you how saying stuff like that is totally lame.

lol 😆

What's sad is you're serious.

Riiiight.

Riiiight.

No, it's sad.

You do too. 😐

Edit - (I do not want to get into an academic pissing match. You're wrong, and that's all the matters.)

Your educational background means nothing when you're wrong. It just means you're wrong with an unproven educational background claim (which should indicate that you either didn't pay attention in class, or you're lying.)

If he doesn't, I think he knows now.

"ughh ugghh, uggghhh, i illustrated your wrong{and my illustration was also the statement "i illustrated your wrong}, youve been proven wrong, because im right and anything that contradicts that is stupid" , thats what most of your posts are boiling down to{and honestly, most of the opposition} . ill let that speak for itself

as for you, lets take a step back shall we, in three individual threads you have made the CLAIM that i wasnt educated enough and that you WERE{and that i was a wiki reader} to debate on physics/fluid dynamics/waves , the philosophical arguments of conciousness, and free will, and went on to smugly say that i shud not talk about things i dont understand. then i went on the exactly give you my educational background, and exactly how that related to my knowledge, deflating your smuggness/destroying your idiotic claim and forcing you off your high horse. you counter by saying that this is the internet and any 1 can claim anything and that im lying. all the while, never ONCE having replied to the actual CONTENT of the debate and claiming all the time that you had.

and your lying, you already made it clear how my educational background was the ONLY thing you were attacking from the beginning to try and make an argument against me, and now, when ive shown its adequate, its suddenly not important?! i call this mitching and moaning where your ignorant ad hominem claims come back to bite you in the ass dadudemon. you are just being a sore loser.

and just for the record, i find it INCREDIBLY hypocritical to first claim that you have superior education and knowledge of three seperate subjects and then claiming you dont wanna get into an argument about educational backgrounds, while all the time showing no evidence for your own knowledge in the things you debate about and still continuing to treat other like they are inherently uneducated.

now stop, simply trying to get the last word in or ill REALLY unload on the contradictions between being an "educated MORMON" 😛

ciao.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
"ughh ugghh, uggghhh, i illustrated your wrong{and my illustration was also the statement "i illustrated your wrong}, youve been proven wrong, because im right and anything that contradicts that is stupid" , thats what most of your posts are boiling down to{and honestly, most of the opposition} . ill let that speak for itself

Good. You should have done that long ago.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for you, lets take a step back shall we, in three individual threads you have made the CLAIM that i wasnt educated enough.

No, I haven't. You can't alter history to fit your current agendas. I recommended college courses for you once. That's it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and that you WERE{and that i was a wiki reader} to debate on physics/fluid dynamics/waves , the philosophical arguments of conciousness, and free will, and went on to smugly say that i shud not talk about things i dont understand. then i went on the exactly give you my educational background, and exactly how that related to my knowledge, deflating your smuggness/destroying your idiotic claim and forcing you off your high horse. you counter by saying that this is the internet and any 1 can claim anything and that im lying. all the while, never ONCE having replied to the actual CONTENT of the debate and claiming all the time that you had.

You're right, I did it smugly. It was fun for me. I was, at that point, fed up with your non-sense...so I was having more fun than taking our discussion seriously.

Oh, and, you didn't destroy jack crap except your own credibility. I posted up your non-sense from the anime section. You can never rid yourself of that ignorant drivel. MWAHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and your lying, you already made it clear how my educational background was the ONLY thing you were attacking from the beginning

No I didn't. 😐

You have a warped sense of reality, which is the primary problem.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
to try and make an argument against me, and now, when ive shown its adequate,

Based on how you worded this, you are saying that my argument is adequate. Was that a Freudian slip or are you actually admitting I'm right, now?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its suddenly not important?! i call this mitching and moaning where your ignorant ad hominem claims come back to bite you in the ass dadudemon. you are just being a sore loser.

You've got me. It has nothing to do with you being a moron, cause you're not. It's all me. Despite the information agreeing with me, obviously I'm still wrong because I haven't met any Nobel laureates.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
"and just for the record, i find it INCREDIBLY hypocritical to first claim that you have superior education and knowledge of three seperate subjects

You're a complete *insert insult about intelligence here*, dude.

It was mocking you. I wasn't serious. This just further proves how poor your reading comprehension skills are. No wonder you can't interpret wiki articles correctly. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and then claiming you dont wanna get into an argument about educational backgrounds,

Again, reading comprehension problems. I said academic pissing match that can't be proven. I could care less if people know what I have degrees in. I find those pieces of paper to be quite annoying to get because I don't learn much to get them.

Also, we don't really have a way to back up our claims, do we? This is why it's lame. 😐

Originally posted by leonheartmm
while all the time showing no evidence for your own knowledge in the things you debate about and still continuing to treat other like they are inherently uneducated.

Right, because you're right here with me and I can prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt, right?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now stop, simply trying to get the last word in or ill REALLY unload on the contradictions between being an "educated MORMON" 😛

ciao.

I'm soooooo scared! weep

Don't do it, I BEG YOU!!!!

Originally posted by inimalist
you are privileging multicellularity

And rightly so. The moment a single celled organism can understand, "I think, therefore I am", I'll elevate it above an infant and fight it give it rights.

Sentience is a rare thing in this universe. Bad for the simple algorithm abiding organisms or not...they certainly have to be subjected to the more intelligent beings.

Originally posted by inimalist
you might have something in that it is further along in a process, but it can be equally well argued that a sperm has finished its process, given the demarcation you make. It ceases to be a sperm, and thus, has nothing more to become. A zygote is still miles from what it is going to be.

I agree. However, the scientific community holds the zygote more precious in a lab, in a womb, etc. And rightly so. Imagine the joy of obtaining the precious zygote in a lab for the first time. If I'm not mistaken, it was a struggle for many years to do so. I'm sure zygotes would cost much more than eggs and sperm separately as well.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Good. You should have done that long ago.

No, I haven't. You can't alter history to fit your current agendas. I recommended college courses for you once. That's it.

You're right, I did it smugly. It was fun for me. I was, at that point, fed up with your non-sense...so I was having more fun than taking our discussion seriously.

Oh, and, you didn't destroy jack crap except your own credibility. I posted up your non-sense from the anime section. You can never rid yourself of that ignorant drivel. MWAHAHAHAHA!

No I didn't. 😐

You have a warped sense of reality, which is the primary problem.

Based on how you worded this, you are saying that my argument is adequate. Was that a Freudian slip or are you actually admitting I'm right, now?

You've got me. It has nothing to do with you being a moron, cause you're not. It's all me. Despite the information agreeing with me, obviously I'm still wrong because I haven't met any Nobel laureates.

You're a complete *insert insult about intelligence here*, dude.

It was mocking you. I wasn't serious. This just further proves how poor your reading comprehension skills are. No wonder you can't interpret wiki articles correctly. 😖hifty:

Again, reading comprehension problems. I said academic pissing match that can't be proven. I could care less if people know what I have degrees in. I find those pieces of paper to be quite annoying to get because I don't learn much to get them.

Also, we don't really have a way to back up our claims, do we? This is why it's lame. 😐

Right, because you're right here with me and I can prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt, right?

I'm soooooo scared! weep

Don't do it, I BEG YOU!!!!

actually, you did try to mock me by claiming i didnt know what i was talking about, but now, dont have the balls to admit that it was the crux of you argument and you look like you had your head up your ass now that i have provided my background and can feebly try and deny that too. you still are unable to understand the distinction between a shockwave and a normal waveform. you claimed that my TRICKS didnt work on people who actually knew the stuff and werent wiki readers{proving that you are lying now to cover your ass when you say you dont "i find these pieces of paper quite annoying because i dont learn much from them" and do put much material into these PIECES OF PAPER}.

i have categorically and with proper references, denied your feeble claims and also proven that you dont know YOURSELF what you have been talking about. its good to see that you were having fun, because there really was no knowledgebility behind any of your attacks and now that has been brought to light by your inability to stand even one of them up in the light of proper scrutiny so jest and repeat, or flat out claim that you have already dealt with them whn any1 with eyes can see that you dont know what the hell ur talking about.

now, as i said, stop trying to have the last laugh, you have nuthing of substance to add to this or the other two debates. youve lost, and have been proven to base your ad hominem arguments on bullshit and an arrogant high headed attitude towards the knowledge of others.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And rightly so. The moment a single celled organism can understand, "I think, therefore I am", I'll elevate it above an infant and fight it give it rights.

Sentience is a rare thing in this universe. Bad for the simple algorithm abiding organisms or not...they certainly have to be subjected to the more intelligent beings.

I agree. However, the scientific community holds the zygote more precious in a lab, in a womb, etc. And rightly so. Imagine the joy of obtaining the precious zygote in a lab for the first time. If I'm not mistaken, it was a struggle for many years to do so. I'm sure zygotes would cost much more than eggs and sperm separately as well.

^yes, but they do THINK, they just arent sophisticated enough to go from there to "therefore i AM" . but WE know that "therefore i am", hence WE can reason that babies ARE when theyr THINKING. simple.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^yes, but they do THINK, they just arent sophisticated enough to go from there to "therefore i AM" . but WE know that "therefore i am", hence WE can reason that babies ARE when theyr THINKING. simple.

^no i do, hes been arguing that conciousness shudnt be taken as a way to give a fetus/being individual rights and simply the formation of a fertilised egg is enough. and has been trying to undermine the conciousness approach by saying that even born babies dont have that mental faculty. or so i gathered and replied.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^no i do, hes been arguing that conciousness shudnt be taken as a way to give a fetus/being individual rights and simply the formation of a fertilised egg is enough. and has been trying to undermine the conciousness approach by saying that even born babies dont have that mental faculty. or so i gathered and replied.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But you see how it is a subjective decision on your part. Also, I am pretty sure most infants don't understand what "I think therefore I am" means.

I agree that it is subjective, however, even reasoning that it is subjective or objective is still subjective, as inimalist pointed out, to our anthropic nature.

If we are to think as coldly and as "not human" morals as possible...How would we interpret biology and measure it? Even that could be purely anthropic in nature, but even nature itself creates, by default, degrees of superiority...or survivability...so can we logically anthropomorphize the universe and be logical in doing so? Maybe...but doing that coudl still be another symptom of the same. It is our "glasses" that we "see" the world arond us with.

Would not my perspective be more in line with a cold, non-social, perspective?

Now, I understand that where this leads, biologically, is going to be a justification for abortion or no abortion, but that isn't my goal. I could care less about that. Unfortunately, that's the only way this conversation will lead because this is not a microbiology forum full of professionals for which meiosis is a source of salivation.

meiosis is a source of salvation

😆 😆 😆 😆 .

but why are multivellulars superior to uni cellulars or non cellulars like viruses for that matter? doesnt it boil down to presence or absense of conciousness??

Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually, you did try to mock me by claiming i didnt know what i was talking about, but now, dont have the balls to admit that it was the crux of you argument and you look like you had your head up your ass now that i have provided my background and can feebly try and deny that too. you still are unable to understand the distinction between a shockwave and a normal waveform. you claimed that my TRICKS didnt work on people who actually knew the stuff and werent wiki readers{proving that you are lying now to cover your ass when you say you dont "i find these pieces of paper quite annoying because i dont learn much from them" and do put much material into these PIECES OF PAPER}.

You're absolutely correct. dur

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i have categorically and with proper references, denied your feeble claims and also proven that you dont know YOURSELF what you have been talking about.

YOU SURE DID! dur

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its good to see that you were having fun, because there really was no knowledgebility behind any of your attacks

lulz

Attacks?

You mean defending against your ignorance, right? You do know that that's how this started. You made a very ignorant post, I pwned you, the end...but you couldn't let it go because your ignorant wiki reading ego couldn't let it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and now that has been brought to light by your inability to stand even one of them up in the light of proper scrutiny so jest and repeat, or flat out claim that you have already dealt with them whn any1 with eyes can see that you dont know what the hell ur talking about.

Oh yes..sure sure...bla bloo bleedy blue.

No. 😐

I sure hope that this is the swan song of the pwned.

Here, lemme show you what you're doing.

"You're just angry because I showed how you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the P-Zombies rising out of the fireball explosion that travels at hypersonic speeds to reach the diploids of the no smokers. Then the zygotes met the Nobel laureates and formed the super sonic shockwace that travels supersonic cheezeburger and fries for 10 minutes! You constantly make fun of me for my spir of the moment degreez and claims because you don't know what you're taking about. Obviously, you stooopid with a side of superheated athomspheres." (Spelling mistakes included for emphasis...because it's for teh lulz.)

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now, as i said, stop trying to have the last laugh, you have nuthing of substance to add to this or the other two debates. youve lost, and have been proven to base your ad hominem arguments on bullshit and an arrogant high headed attitude towards the knowledge of others.

You just can't cope with your ineptitude...and your reality problems don't help.

Can't we just go back to the old days when I defended you against the people making fun of you...and enjoying a manga or two? I grow weary of this typing game.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're absolutely correct. dur

YOU SURE DID! dur

lulz

Attacks?

You mean defending against your ignorance, right? You do know that that's how this started. You made a very ignorant post, I pwned you, the end...but you couldn't let it go because your ignorant wiki reading ego couldn't let it.

Oh yes..sure sure...bla bloo bleedy blue.

No. 😐

I sure hope that this is the swan song of the pwned.

Here, lemme show you what you're doing.

"You're just angry because I showed how you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the P-Zombies rising out of the fireball explosion that travels at hypersonic speeds to reach the diploids of the no smokers. Then the zygotes met the Nobel laureates and formed the super sonic shockwace that travels supersonic cheezeburger and fries for 10 minutes! You constantly make fun of me for my spir of the moment degreez and claims because you don't know what you're taking about. Obviously, you stooopid with a side of superheated athomspheres." (Spelling mistakes included for emphasis...because it's for teh lulz.)

You just can't cope with your ineptitude...and your reality problems don't help.

Can't we just go back to the old days when I defended you against the people making fun of you...and enjoying a manga or two? I grow weary of this typing game.

ha ha ha ha i win, loook at me!

?: whats the difference between a shockwave and a normal wave?

dadude: ehhhhh what? SHUT UP I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha

taz

seriously, you are being a SORE SORE vagina. dont go up against me unless you can take the ponding, its really getting too easy and too funny, seeing you struggle.

yes watever happened to the good old days when you didnt open your mouth on anything more real than the fight between two fictional characters. now i understand why that was a good thing.

as for knowing more about p zombies than me, LMAO, i cud literally slap you like a little ***** for making that assumption!

Keep up the jaded super-genius routine and I'm going to tell Damon and Affleck to sue you over copy rights.

^why are you still talking? i didnt hear any1 speak at/to/with/about/concerning you in the last 13 posts.

I feel bad for you, you continually embarrass yourself with these claims of mental superiority, "A" grade studies, knowing and having studied under various experts, turning down invites to Ivy league schools etc., you're not even smart enough to keep all your '20 minute Wiki degrees' in check, so just stop the nonsense.

Originally posted by Robtard
I feel bad for you, you continually embarrass yourself with these claims of mental superiority, "A" grade studies, knowing and having studied under various experts, turning down invites to Ivy league schools etc., you're not even smart enough to keep all your '20 minute Wiki degrees' in check, so just stop the nonsense.

please, direct those fealings to sum1 REALLY in need of them, like YOURSELF, who cant understand why he is still TALKING?!

{and p.s. for every1 else, i only mentioned them when unlettered fools challenged my knowledge outside wiki and went on to try and mock me with their incredible stupidity}

What do you study now anyways, leo?

^nuthing, lol. taking a gap year after all the insanity in my life. done with my a levels. i WAS retaking bilogy, buuut, the way things are these days, its really impossible to study n stuff. actually im kind of an idiot, my younger sisters are already ahead of me in practically everything with a couple of ivy scholarships and me n my "troubles" have me contemplating if i even can continue a uni life.