Originally posted by tkitnaI saw the movie. Remind of any feat that proves his blasts can effect Kurse significantly. I seen him go physical too many times for me to think he would automatically do the stay away tactic all throughout the fight from the beginning.
So you never watched the movie and yet you still post.
Originally posted by h1a8
But we know in character Ikaris won't do such tactics. He will eventually go fisticuffs. And I'm not too sure how much damage his eye blasts can do to Kurse. What are its feats?
He uses his eyeblasts more than he engages fisticuffs. His eyeblasts are able to slice through the Eternals' spaceship and injure Deviants.
Kurse, while super durable, wasn't invulnerable. Remember that Loki was able to stab him clean through with an elven blade. I also don't recall Kurse withstanding continuous energy blasts.
Originally posted by FrothByte
He uses his eyeblasts more than he engages fisticuffs. His eyeblasts are able to slice through the Eternals' spaceship and injure Deviants.Kurse, while super durable, wasn't invulnerable. Remember that Loki was able to stab him clean through with an elven blade. I also don't recall Kurse withstanding continuous energy blasts.
It's fair to say Kurse is more durable than steel.
Slicing through a spaceship isn't a good feat or Deviants (who have no other feats against energy to compare).
I didn't say he won't use his blasts from a distance. I'm saying that he won't fight the WHOLE FIGHT that way.
Just re-watched all his fighting scenes.
HV is pretty weak Imo (in comparison to someone in Kurse level).
Many times it did little damage to the Dviants (earlier versions as well) and other Eternals. Kurse is significantly more durable than the Eternals or Deviants.
Worst case, it does a little damage. Ikaris eventually comes in close and gets stomped bad.
Originally posted by h1a8
Just re-watched all his fighting scenes.
HV is pretty weak Imo (in comparison to someone in Kurse level).
Many times it did little damage to the Dviants (earlier versions as well) and other Eternals. Kurse is significantly more durable than the Eternals or Deviants.Worst case, it does a little damage. Ikaris eventually comes in close and gets stomped bad.
I doubt Ikaris can oneshot Kurse with his eyebeams. But Kurse doesn't exactly have feats to prove he can withstand repeated blasts from those eyeblasts either. Remember that Loki was able to ram a sword straight through him.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I doubt Ikaris can oneshot Kurse with his eyebeams. But Kurse doesn't exactly have feats to prove he can withstand repeated blasts from those eyeblasts either. Remember that Loki was able to ram a sword straight through him.
Loki did stab him, but it didnt bother him at all. It merely surprised him.
I seriously doubt Ikaris can put him down.
Originally posted by tkitna
Loki did stab him, but it didnt bother him at all. It merely surprised him.I seriously doubt Ikaris can put him down.
Yes, he didn't seem to feel any pain due to that stab, but it still went through him without issue. If Ikaris starts dismembering him with eyeblasts while he stays at a distance, Kurse will eventually fall.
Again, I'm not saying that it will only take one or two eyeblasts from Ikaris. I'm saying Kurse has no feats to prove he can withstand continuous eyeblasts. Ikaris will need to close the distance for Kurse to beat the crap out of him.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Again, I'm not saying that it will only take one or two eyeblasts from Ikaris. I'm saying Kurse has no feats to prove he can withstand continuous eyeblasts. Ikaris will need to close the distance for Kurse to beat the crap out of him.
Yeah, I guess its impossible to say if the eyeblasts could harm him or not.
Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, I guess its impossible to say if the eyeblasts could harm him or not.
It's very doubtful that Loki armed with an elven sword can as easily cut the Eternals' spaceship near in half as easily as Ikaris did with his eyebeams.
Even a regular Asgardian soldier's sword bit into Kurse's shoulder armor and got stuck in there.
Again, it didn't pain him or anything, but it still proved that he can be damaged.
What I'm saying is, of course the eyebeams can harm him. The only question is how long Ikaris will need to maintain it to damage Kurse enough for a win. And whether Ikaris is able to stay his distance long enough to do that.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe doesn't need any feats. The eyeblasts suck. They didn't damage the other externals nor many times didn't do much to the deviants. Kurse is head and shoulders more durable than either of them. Loki can run a sword through Thor, all the externals, the deviants, etc.
I doubt Ikaris can oneshot Kurse with his eyebeams. But Kurse doesn't exactly have feats to prove he can withstand repeated blasts from those eyeblasts either. Remember that Loki was able to ram a sword straight through him.
So logically if a sword can go through an Eternal and Deviant and they both can withstand eyebeams then eyebeams aren't doing much to Kurse who is more durable.
Worst case scenario is the eyebeams does some damage and ikaris eventually goes in close proximity and gets messed up.
Originally posted by FrothByteKurse and Thor are more durable than the rock-like spaceship. Thor >>>> rock
It's very doubtful that Loki armed with an elven sword can as easily cut the Eternals' spaceship near in half as easily as Ikaris did with his eyebeams.Even a regular Asgardian soldier's sword bit into Kurse's shoulder armor and got stuck in there.
Again, it didn't pain him or anything, but it still proved that he can be damaged.
What I'm saying is, of course the eyebeams can harm him. The only question is how long Ikaris will need to maintain it to damage Kurse enough for a win. And whether Ikaris is able to stay his distance long enough to do that.
Basically you are claiming that a spaceship is more durable than Kurse, especially one made out of rock
Lastly, you once reasoned that an Asgardian farmer crumpled a tactical knife to argue that Asgardian weapons are more durable than steel weapons.
It's pretty disingenuous to say it's made out of "rock". You think the Celestials would put their hyper advanced humanoid androids on a ship made of "rock"? That's like saying Mjolnir is made out of "stone". Keep in mind it was durable enough to have the city of Babylon built on top of it. Thats millions of tons just sitting on it for centuries with no problem.
Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't need any feats. The eyeblasts suck. They didn't damage the other externals nor many times didn't do much to the deviants. Kurse is head and shoulders more durable than either of them. Loki can run a sword through Thor, all the externals, the deviants, etc.So logically if a sword can go through an Eternal and Deviant and they both can withstand eyebeams then eyebeams aren't doing much to Kurse who is more durable.
Worst case scenario is the eyebeams does some damage and ikaris eventually goes in close proximity and gets messed up.
Dude, golden rule of the MvF is we argue using feats. Saying "he doesn't need any feats" is a ridiculously dumbass thing to say.
Fact of the matter is that Ikaris's eyeblasts have better destructive feats than Kurse has durability feats. Kurse proved to be ridiculously durable against blunt attacks and seems to be immune to pain, but he has no durability feats to prove he can remain unscathed after numerous blasts from Ikaris' eyebeams.
An elven sword was able to puncture him and a blackhole grenade killed him. So where are you getting the idea that he can just tank Ikaris' blasts indefinitely?
Also, Deviants couldn't withstand Ikaris' eyebeams. Not the regular ones anyway. It was that big main one that managed to withstand Ikaris's eye blasts but that Deviant had Ajak's healing powers.
So your logic doesn't add up.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, golden rule of the MvF is we argue using feats. Saying "he doesn't need any feats" is a ridiculously dumbass thing to say.Fact of the matter is that Ikaris's eyeblasts have better destructive feats than Kurse has durability feats. Kurse proved to be ridiculously durable against blunt attacks and seems to be immune to pain, but he has no durability feats to prove he can remain unscathed after numerous blasts from Ikaris' eyebeams.
An elven sword was able to puncture him and a blackhole grenade killed him. So where are you getting the idea that he can just tank Ikaris' blasts indefinitely?
Also, Deviants couldn't withstand Ikaris' eyebeams. Not the regular ones anyway. It was that big main one that managed to withstand Ikaris's eye blasts but that Deviant had Ajak's healing powers.
So your logic doesn't add up.
Ikaris blast damaged rock. Kurse is more durable than rock.
Are you implying that being cut by an alien sword (more durable than man made materials) logically proves blast will hurt Kurse?
Let's start there and keep it simple.
I can post feats showing ALL deviants (even the beginning ones) being resistant to the blasts.