Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well if you want to bring additional considerations in, impartially, you should be bringing air resistance in, the fact his hands can deflect multiple bullets at once, etc.Assuming you want to be impartial.
Bang is MUCH faster than speed of sound sonic who was casually capable of seeing the world in slow motion/stand still..
Originally posted by Smurph
How much superspeed does Colleen Wing havehttps://i.imgur.com/pbwoBQ5.jpg
mmm
She's spinning her sword while Garou is slapping and catching condense bullets out of the air. There's a HUGE difference.
Originally posted by Magnon
Air resistance? The distance between Garou and Death Gatling was 10 meters or less. Air drag doesn't cause significant loss in bullet velocity across such a small distance. And coordinating his movements in order to deflect multiple bullets with each single swing wouldn't drop down the difficulty to "single-bullet-blocking level". A bit less raw speed required in exchange for quite a bit more coordination.
My point being, you casually ignored these factors whilst talking up factors to make it more impressive, i.e. bias. I was saying if you wanted to be impartial, ALL factors need to be considered. Even if it only drops the speed down 'a bit less' (your unproven claim).
Anyway, yeah Jay would be too much for him.
How would you rate Sandman's chances (Spidey villain)? Karate Kid? And yes, Sin, looks like a High Meta. What did Classic Quicksilver top out at again?
Originally posted by carver9
Bang is MUCH faster than speed of sound sonic who was casually capable of seeing the world in slow motion/stand still..
is this the jojo bizarre adventure they keep talking about?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point being, you casually ignored these factors whilst talking up factors to make it more impressive, i.e. bias. I was saying if you wanted to be impartial, ALL factors need to be considered. Even if it only drops the speed down 'a bit less' (your unproven claim).
By all means, test it yourself. First ask someone to throw a single baseball at you and try to catch it. Then ask, say, 30 guys all throw baseballs at you at rapid rate. Does it feel the same, what do you think? If you factor in the air drag, does that make it feel the same? If you attempt to block multiple baseballs with each swing, surely that reduces the difficulty down to single-baseball levels?
Originally posted by Magnon
Yeah, I didn't have to consider air drag because my claim was that blocking gatling gun autofire requires much more speed than blocking a single bullet. Just in case you didn't know, air drag also affects singly-fired bullets.By all means, test it yourself. First ask someone to throw a single baseball at you and try to catch it. Then ask, say, 30 guys all throw baseballs at you at rapid rate. Does it feel the same, what do you think? If you factor in the air drag, does that make it feel the same? If you attempt to block multiple baseballs with each swing, surely that reduces the difficulty down to single-baseball levels?
I personally think catching takes more skill and speed/coordination then batting it away, but that's neither here nor there - Garou didn't catch the bullets, but swatted them away.
Then it depends on how I swat these bullets away. With a sword, with the edge, is significantly more impressive, imo, then with the flat of the blade, or with your hand - even if I am swatting multiple bullets away.
But yes - what do you think of Sandman's chances? Karate Kid?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I personally think catching takes more skill and speed/coordination then batting it away, but that's neither here nor there - Garou didn't catch the bullets, but swatted them away.Then it depends on how I swat these bullets away. With a sword, with the edge, is significantly more impressive, imo, then with the flat of the blade, or with your hand - even if I am swatting multiple bullets away.
But yes - what do you think of Sandman's chances? Karate Kid?
Anyways, Sandman is probably against the spirit of this thread. If he just fought physically, remaining in humanoid shape and using only his fighting skills, he'd get wrecked time and time again (possibly always getting up soon after, depending on the extent of his control over his body). He would have to use the special physical nature of his body to launch "non-hand-to-hand" attacks in order to achieve any victory other than simply outlasting his opponent. But in that case, where do we draw the line? For example, there probably are many comic book characters who can harm Bang simply by letting him punch them. Radioactive Man? X-Ray? Naked Rogue? Lets say Loa (Alani Ryan) is one of the weakest who could beat Bang in a physical brawl. If Bang hits her, his hands (or feet) would get disintegrated.
Karate Kid is all over the place. His top showings would be enough to beat Bang, I would say.
Well, Carv never replied:
Originally posted by Galan007
Bang has some feats to suggest that his physical stats are in the high-meta tier. So if you're just asking who could beat him with physicals alone, then it would probably take someone in that realm... Maybe a bit higher.But if esoteric stuff like TP, BFR, intangibility, energy projection, etc are still on, then it's another story... You did just say that BFR is an option, after all:
And as we're WAY past the 2nd page now, bit too late for OP to stip further.
Carv maybe just wanted a brick in this thread? Or a slugfest? But am sure he's smart enough to have said so in his OP and clarifications. He merely said no gimmicky powers....but never clarified what that is (isn't MA skill a gimmick too?)
So yeah.....looks like a meta tier here. He's really good at what he does, but not versatile enough to really go far beyond that.
Originally posted by carver9
I said no gimmicks or hacks. Sandman is obviously a gimmicky character that cant be punched to sleep. The thread seems pretty obvious. Characters that can be physically dominated via punches and kicks.
Should've clarified you just wanted bricks, Carvy. Galan even asked you to clarify. Moreover, it's strange you wanted a pure fistfight........but allowed BFR.
Alas. It's too late in the day now. Maybe one day you can choose characters who aren't so limited.
Lets pull a Dark. Bang still knocks him TF out...
https://i.imgur.com/2q2ngHs.png
https://m.imgur.com/a/uW3smbP
Knocked out by Thing...
https://i.imgur.com/jkTlbcS.png
Bang blitzes TF out of him and koes him as soon as the bell rings.
Multiple man gets blitzed and bfred.
Nice try.
