Doctor .Manhattan vs Rune King Thor

Originally posted by Stoic
But What you don’t seem to understand, or reject is that the Runes themselves are an omnipotent source of power unless it went through a retcon. Because we are talking about magic here, the most powerful spells are recited through knowledge. This version of Thor was omniscient and attached to the Runes themselves.

What Thor does not have are feats, and that is because of plot. The plot wasn’t the same as it was in Doomsday Clock. Doc. M had a completely different reason for doing what he did than Thor did.

What happens if Doc. M does all of these reality shifts, time displacements and other things that high tier cosmic characters do, but finds that it had zero effect on RK Thor? What proof is there to refute this possibility? He was most certainly not an Odin level character. However if you insist on believing that he was, we will always disagree on his true power level.

RK Thor was omniscient, and omnipotent as well. I do not believe that he was omnipresent though. Again, just follow my reasoning here. Because the Runes gave him omniscience, that omniscience translates to omnipotence because the Runes are an omnipotent source of power, which RK Thor had full knowledge of.

"And he gathered the knowledge of the runes"

@ODG, all realities in Marvel have universal rules is what I was getting at. The universal laws that pertain to Asgard are fundamentally different than the laws of 616 space. Some of the things that work in 616 space do not necessarily work the same in Asgardian space. There are clear differences in the life that exists there to easily see that they aren’t the same.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you get that Runes are omnipotent source of magic? Because Odin also had the knowledge of runes and he wasn't any omnipotent than any other skyfather.

Odin’s knowledge of the Runes were not as intimate as Thor’s knowledge of the runes. It says it right there in the scan that you posted. Thor went beyond Odin. Odin never died, and was limited in what he knew, whereas Thor became one with the runes. The runes were stated to be an omnipotent source of power a long time ago. However I do not remember the exact book that stated this. I’ll try to find it, but it will likely take a while. It does exist though.

Even normal Thor has knowledge of Rune spells lol.

Mjolnir's enchantments are rune spells too. Guess they are all omnipotent.

Originally posted by Stoic
Odin’s knowledge of the Runes were not as intimate as Thor’s knowledge of the runes. It says it right there in the scan that you posted. Thor went beyond Odin. Odin never died, and was limited in what he knew, whereas Thor became one with the runes. The runes were stated to be an omnipotent source of power a long time ago. However I do not remember the exact book that stated this. I’ll try to find it, but it will likely take a while. It does exist though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.

RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.

Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.

Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.

Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.

Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.

We have been over this, a lot of time.

Odin knew all secrets of the runes. Thor 341

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why are you such an idiot?

Dr Manhattan straight up says "Everything ends". In Death Metal it states again that he tried to heal the multiverse but couldn't due to the interference from Perpetua.

literally from your own scan it says manhattan failed

how is failure to heal the multiverse a feat?

when johns wrote the dialogue "everything ends" he meant the main universe. metaverse is the main universe

why are you such an idiot?

Originally posted by MrMind
literally from your own scan it says manhattan failed

how is failure to heal the multiverse a feat?

when johns wrote the dialogue "everything ends" he meant the main universe. metaverse is the main universe

why are you such an idiot?

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Flash-Forward/TPB-Part-2?id=173241

Eating shit has made you retarded or maybe you always were.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He failed because of interference from Perpetua and Batman who Laughs. Even Wally with a portion of the power of Manhattan was repairing the multiverse before he was stopped by BWL.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Flash-Forward/TPB-Part-2?id=173241

Eating shit has made you retarded or maybe you always were.

don't change the subject, you claimed manhattan remade everything. He didn't

not saying he can't, but he didn't, he failed to do so once because of perpetua. whether he can without interference remains unknown

just like this again, wally "FAILED" to repair the multiverse, because of batman who laughs

since when are failing to do something a feat?

this is more about correcting you

Originally posted by MrMind

whether he can without interference remains unknown

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Some material for Galan to fap

"The fifth dimension and it's inhabitants existed outside the multiverse"

"Doctor Manhattan: This godlike figure from another Earth had the ability to reshape the multiverse on a whim"
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Source: The DC Book of Lists, A Multiverse of Legacies, Histories, and Hierarchies

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ok qwerty you win

I still love you Mrmind, you know 😛

Manhattan

just pointing out errors qwerty

Originally posted by abhilegend
He rebooted everything.

abhi pretends like manhattan restarted the omniverse when he didn't.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
😂 Good old KMC, Abhi is the Galactic Storm of Superman fans. 1 trillion posts all saying the same thing, he is right mind, but then Supes is my fav'rit too so I'm also very biased.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor went beyond Odin in his sacrifice because due to the diminishing nature of the Ragnarok cycle, what Odin did was worthless for Thor. This is straight up stated in the comic dude.

We have been over this, a lot of time.

Was Odin ever able to change the fates? Was Odin ever able to stand before Mangog and allow him to beat on him without suffering damage? You want to ignore Thor’s death and the true effect that it had on him as opposed to Odin being at death’s door but not having truly died. When Thor passed through the veil he saw things that Odin could never see. The ones that sit in the shadows were themselves well above Odin. RK Thor being what he became was in turn well above them. Odin was a speck in comparison my friend.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor went beyond Odin in his sacrifice because due to the diminishing nature of the Ragnarok cycle, what Odin did was worthless for Thor. This is straight up stated in the comic dude.

We have been over this, a lot of time.

Thank you abhi for always clearing this up. RKT is the most misconstrued character in comicdom. Outside of KMC people treat him like he's multiversal. 😆

Originally posted by Stoic
Mangog could have been at full power or triple his full power, and it would have made no difference. Odin could never do that. Not even close.

See, we don't know that.

As it's one of the very few feats rkt has.

Mangog was also weakened, as Loki had been siphoning his power away (I know Stoic is aware of this, as it has been brought up literally dozens of times.)

In terms of RKT's "feats", that's about the worst one you can use to try and argue how powerful he was.