Originally posted by carver9The fact that Magnon differentiated between the two tells you all you need to know.
Says the guy who rides Pr.That IS current Saitama. Two Saitamas merged including the one that fought Garou.
Current Saitama has no memory of the fight. The text makes clear of this. But by the by - what's Saitama's best speed feat? And how fast was he?
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're so jealous.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.Anyway, did you read OPM Chapter 168? Where Saitama has no memory of what happened, his clothes have no damage, no one died etc?
Tell me, when Flash changes time, does he lose his memory? Say, when Wally created time clones, did his clones lose memory of what happened?
In short, the way Saitama changed time, meant that his current self never actually fought Garou on Io etc - that's the whole point. He defeated Garou not with one punch, but with zero punches (i.e. he never actually fought him, never farted through space, never sneezed Io away etc).
I thought manga was your thing. There are so few words to read, yet you still are unable to grasp the story.
We see a good example of this with Flashpoint. Barry Allen Wales up, powerless. He changed the past, so he never got powers. Crucially, however, his memory is still intact so he goes to find Batman etc.
Read a comic one day.
But from reading this conversation the time travel shananigans allowed him to defeat Garou without throwing a punch and it saved part of the solar system. I think that is the intended results to restore Jupiter and it’s moon. But it doesn’t negate the fact that if they had to fight it would have ended up as it did. This doesn’t negate his feat. I think it basically confirms it and the time travel route was taken so that they don’t end up destroying parts of the system,
Basically like hey, we had this fight and look what happened, let’s not have this fight and just defeat Garou so that Jupiter and it’s moon is intact.
Originally posted by DiesldudeGarou did that because Saitama told him the child he wanted to protect died, then had a change of heart and showed Saitama how to **** with time.
I haven’t read the comic, someone can send me a Dm with a link I would be very grateful.But from reading this conversation the time travel shananigans allowed him to defeat Garou without throwing a punch and it saved part of the solar system. I think that is the intended results to restore Jupiter and it’s moon. But it doesn’t negate the fact that if they had to fight it would have ended up as it did. This doesn’t negate his feat. I think it basically confirms it and the time travel route was taken so that they don’t end up destroying parts of the system,
Basically like hey, we had this fight and look what happened, let’s not have this fight and just defeat Garou so that Jupiter and it’s moon is intact.
I agree on the fact that the feats are still legit because I see no reason why all of the sudden Saitama shouldn't be capable of such things. It's basically the exact same character just a bit earlier. But I don't want to have an argument about it.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Garou did that because Saitama told him the child he wanted to protect died, then had a change of heart and showed Saitama how to **** with time.I agree on the fact that the feats are still legit because I see no reason why all of the sudden Saitama shouldn't be capable of such things. It's basically the exact same character just a bit earlier. But I don't want to have an argument about it.
👆 agreed.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Garou did that because Saitama told him the child he wanted to protect died, then had a change of heart and showed Saitama how to **** with time.I agree on the fact that the feats are still legit because I see no reason why all of the sudden Saitama shouldn't be capable of such things. It's basically the exact same character just a bit earlier. But I don't want to have an argument about it.
That's the thing though, to me they're NOT.
I know you don't want to argue this point, am responding to your point all the same and others can respond if they want -your silence won't be taken as your concession or whatever e-dick measuring that usually goes on
Saitama, to me, responds according to his opponent. He grew to Jupiter sneezing levels, only as a result of his fight, after promising Tareo he'd defeat Garou. He learnt time travel as a direct result of the fight. He copied Garou's moves.
'like none he had ever experienced'. He doesn't just get to these levels at the drop of a hat - it depends on his opponent, and the fact Genos died. And we know he was using Garou's moves, because:
In short, now that Garou was defeated in the past, he never fought Saitama. Tareo doesn't die, Saitama doesn't make any promises, Genos doesn't die, Saitama never needs to ramp up, never learnt time travelling skills, never copies Garou.....
It's a short time period, but a completely different Saitama in terms of skills and power levels.
Originally posted by carver9
The fts still counts. Same charcuterie, same Saitama that fought Garou.He's faster than anyone here. No one here have display after images across an entire moon bigger than earth's moon and no one here can do it.
How fast is that though?
I, a normal human, can create afterimages by waving my hand in front of my face (you guys try it, lol).
What Saitama did? Much much much MUCH more impressive l, not denying that, but how fast is it? It's completely useless as an indication of speed. If you can't give me even a ballpark figure in terms of mph or magnitudes (lightspeed, 1/2 lightspeed, whatever) then it's useless.
Another example. Watch a movie - any movie. Chances are it's running at 24fps - in other words, it's flashing 24 images at you every second. But your eyes can't see that fast, so there's no blur, no afterimages -24fps is your limit.
Saitama leaving afterimages says more about Garou's limitations, not his speed. Agreed Saitama needs to be fast, but again, afterimages on their own mean nothing. Go back to my example of handwaving. Now look at a race car going at 150mph - does it leave after images? NO! Does your hand leave afterimages? Yes. Does that mean your hand is moving faster than 150mph? Lol.
It's completely unusable as a speed feat, certainly in terms of pinning down speeds. My hand is going far slower than a racecar, but cars don't leave afterimages.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He grew to Jupiter sneezing levels, only as a result of his fight, after promising Tareo he'd defeat Garou.
I was brain AFK, when I stated that Saitama destroyed Jupiter. That of course never happened. And I feel like even saying that he "sneezed Jupiter away" is too much.
Jupiter is a gas giant and is way less dense than Earth (still heavier overall though). Saitama sneazed away half of Jupiters non-solid surface and created a small crater in Jupiters core. Again, still an impressive feat and even that crater would have been enough to wreck Earth.
But then again, when you put that up against Marvel feats like Thanos coming out of a black hole with minor bruising and some blood... Put a black hole next to Jupiter and what happens?
I understand that it's just a sneeze and that Serious Series Serious Punch would scale up, but by how much? Can a Serious Punch cause damage on a black hole level?