Martian Manhunter vs World Breaker Hulk

Originally posted by ODG
I'm not sure I would agree with characterizing a character's well-established fears, anxieties or even morals as Character Induced Stupidity. Ororo isn't stupid because she suffers from claustrophobia. J'onn isn't stupid because he fears fire.

right, but the reason i say cis off full capacity is i want poster to imagine if they have said character's powers what would they do

CIS is for stupid characters that just lose, regardless of their advantages.
Jonn suffers more from PIS. Where writers just want him out of the story. He's not a stupid character.

Somehow anything we don't like suddenly became CIS.

PIS is always off in battle board unless stated otherwise

Originally posted by MrMind
right, but the reason i say cis off full capacity is i want poster to imagine if they have said character's powers what would they do

Weigh their options. The sane ones would plead for mercy if they were in J’onn’s shoes.

Originally posted by Stoic
Surfer should win. He's tailor made to be the Hulk's jailor, and being permanently intangible turn this into a no contest.

Interesting how Surfer can be intangible and be ok, but MMH can't be intangible and be ok.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting how Surfer can be intangible and be ok, but MMH can't be intangible and be ok.

Interesting how the Surfer controls Banner’s gamma energy to work for him. J’onn does not have this ability.

No, but you seem pretty confident that intangibility made it a non contest.

What happened to Hulk's famed ability to grab intangible characters then?

Not really, but the Power Cosmic changes everything. J’onn does not possess this ability. J’onn is a sentient life form made of flesh and blood. The Surfer would reduce J’onn to ooze if he went all out.

We saw what happened when the Vision attempted what J’onn would attempt, the Hulk’s body would destroy J’onn’s body on a cellular level as he attempted to phase into the Hulk and solidify any part of himself.

There would be an immediate psychic backlash of pain that would likely give J’onn a stroke, the Hulk’s healing factor would begin fighting him as he would be a foreign invader, and actually begin to devour him.

The Vision only survived because he is synthetic. The Surfer has the power cosmic and has near full control of manipulating the energy coursing through the Hulk. J’onn does not have those capabilities, or is composed of the same materials that the Vision is composed of.

Didn’t the Hulk grab Doctor Strange in his astral form?

So you missed my point.

You didn't seem perturbed that WBH could grab intangible beings....in fact, you had intangibility as a major factor for Surfer to win.

Yet here, you're all about how Hulk can grab intangible beings

Originally posted by Stoic
Didn’t the Hulk grab Doctor Strange in his astral form?

Hulk's astral form grabbed Strange and crushed his hands, yes.

J'onn better not use his astral form, I guess. Oh wait. He doesn't.

J’onn could phase in into the planet. Do you really believe that would work? Lol.

Originally posted by Stoic
J’onn could phase in into the planet. Do you really believe that would work? Lol.

I think it's time you had a nap, tbh.

Are we going to ignore his battles with the Vision?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it's time you had a nap, tbh.

I think that it’s about time for you to resist telling me what to do tbh.

J’onn has two options. Phase the Hulk into the planet, or BFR.

Phasing him into the planet would not work, he would heal and free himself. Will not work. If BFR is off, J’onn eventually dies.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are we going to ignore his battles with the Vision?

So why would intangibility with Surfer make it a surefire win for Surfer (note, you SPECIFICALLY mentioned intangibility being a factor)?

Originally posted by Stoic
I think that it’s about time for you to resist telling me what to do tbh.

J’onn has two options. Phase the Hulk into the planet, or BFR.

Phasing him into the planet would not work, he would heal and free himself. Will not work. If BFR is off, J’onn eventually dies.

Or just wait it out.

BFR isn't off, either, so.....you're saying he wins. Ok.

Surfer’s powers in general make it a sure fire way to defeat the Hulk and all other energy enriched characters that lack the ability to defend against a power Jack. The Surfer literally uses the Hulk’s strength to add to his own. He was usually able to turn the Hulk back into Banner. This is not something that J’onn can do. There is no comparison between J’onn and the Surfer. You would compare J’onn to the Vision as he too does not possess cosmic powers.

You want to ignore the Vision vs Hulk. He has grabbed other beings that were immaterial in the past. Time for arguing whether he has the ability has been passed a long time ago.

J’onn is one t clap away from dust here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why would intangibility with Surfer make it a surefire win for Surfer (note, you SPECIFICALLY mentioned intangibility being a factor)?

Or just wait it out.

BFR isn't off, either, so.....you're saying he wins. Ok.

BFR is a win.

Originally posted by Stoic
Surfer’s powers in general make it a sure fire way to defeat the Hulk and all other energy enriched characters that lack the ability to defend against a power Jack. The Surfer literally uses the Hulk’s strength to add to his own. He was usually able to turn the Hulk back into Banner. This is not something that J’onn can do. There is no comparison between J’onn and the Surfer. You would compare J’onn to the Vision as he too does not possess cosmic powers.

You want to ignore the Vision vs Hulk. He has grabbed other beings that were immaterial in the past. Time for arguing whether he has the ability has been passed a long time ago.

J’onn is one t clap away from dust here.

Or does intangibility only work when it's your character?

Originally posted by MrMind
right, but the reason i say cis off full capacity is i want poster to imagine if they have said character's powers what would they do