Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF are you talking about Jesse? Surfer didn't matter manipulate suns or black holes.Phasing is supposed to be an impressive matter manipulation feat?
Him phasing out of existence for Ions is also an example of theoretical yield turned into actual mass - nope - actual mass into theoretical yield back to actual mass, this feat far surpass that of your scan, as the length of time applied is far longer, the application to reverse the process happened is in its theoretical mass phase and he purposely put himself in that state, not once but twice.
This was the purpose of the scan I posted, to show you that he can manipulate matter and to a far higher degree than FireStorm and at a lot faster estate.
Let me show one more, against Tyrant + reality gem.
He fought and put himself back against the reality gem - you know a universal item that controls reality. So yeah FireStorm ain’t doing sh!t against Surfer.
He gets impaled like this skyfather.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it doesn't.
Lowball?Believe me, Surfer has much more embarrassing low showings as it is.
You really bad at this Abhi - shame on you.
Originally posted by Ambient
Ahhm! Surfer made a Sun out of nothing, A black hole out of nothing, those things are made up of matter - do you get it, HE MADE MATTER on his own - him fixing a destabilized sun, is an example of a theoretical yield turn into actual mass in that he stabilized its chemical reaction, the same also holds true to any sun or black hole made in its true potential form .Him phasing out of existence for Ions is also an example of theoretical yield turned into actual mass - nope - actual mass into theoretical yield back to actual mass, this feat far surpass that of your scan, as the length of time applied is far longer, the application to reverse the process happened is in its theoretical mass phase and he purposely put himself in that state, not once but twice.
This was the purpose of the scan I posted, to show you that he can manipulate matter and to a far higher degree than FireStorm and at a lot faster estate.
Let me show one more, against Tyrant + reality gem.
He fought and put himself back against the reality gem - you know a universal item that controls reality. So yeah FireStorm ain’t doing sh!t against Surfer.
He gets impaled like this skyfather.
Let’s see he was trying to fixed Sun got blasted at no harm to him ^ ^ durability, absorbs energy beat the fleet that was attacking him then proceed to stabilized son . How is that a low showing ???
You really bad at this Abhi - shame on you.
I never said anything about the fight, only that Firestorm was a better matter manipulator.
Also, WTF are you talking about? Surfer straight up admitted that his full power had no affect on the sun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What's this gibberish? Surfer didn't create suns or black holes out of nowhere, he turned his own energy and Air Walker's body to do so. Not to mention neither is theoretical Maass type of matter manipulation.I never said anything about the fight, only that Firestorm was a better matter manipulator.
Also, WTF are you talking about? Surfer straight up admitted that his full power had no affect on the sun.
Cep’t for a fact that there is panel evidence that Surfer alone created said so blackhole. Can’t ignore that, please stop the lowball. Again where there was none, there is now.
Thanos \/ there.
I don’t think you know your evidence Abhi 😞 … look up theoretical yield and actual yield.
This right here is a very similar feat to what you posted. In that Surfer an actual mass occupying space phase through reality, who is now in a state of theoretical yield meaning he is supposed to be there but not, he stayed there in that form, in that state for eons until he materialize himself back into reality, the actual yield where his supposed to be and like I said in my previous post this feat is far superior to the one you posted because the process he took to achieve this feat has one extra step, turning himself into a theoretically yield State, 2nd.) the length of time to constantly stayed in this state, Eons. 3rd.) turning himself in actual state from theoretical yield presence. This can also be applied in matter creation; Sun and blackhole created by Surfer
In comparison to both the feat, I think mine tops yours based in that Surfer feat is superior and that his done this a few times therefore he is by far a better energy to matter manipulator than FS.
Where did you see that narrated on panel ??? He said his blast had
minimal effect and that he would summon more power but then he got interrupted and blasted in the back before he can do more.
Stop the hate Abhi, surfer is just that cool.
Originally posted by Ambient
Surfer created matter (sun) with his power cosmic. Where there was none, there is now. Fact! live with it.Cep’t for a fact that there is panel evidence that Surfer alone created said so blackhole. Can’t ignore that, please stop the lowball. Again where there was none, there is now.
Thanos \/ there.
I don’t think you know your evidence Abhi 😞 … look up theoretical yield and actual yield.
This right here is a very similar feat to what you posted. In that Surfer an actual mass occupying space phase through reality, who is now in a state of theoretical yield meaning he is supposed to be there but not, he stayed there in that form, in that state for eons until he materialize himself back into reality, the actual yield where his supposed to be and like I said in my previous post this feat is far superior to the one you posted because the process he took to achieve this feat has one extra step, turning himself into a theoretically yield State, 2nd.) the length of time to constantly stayed in this state, Eons. 3rd.) turning himself in actual state from theoretical yield presence. This can also be applied in matter creation; Sun and blackhole created by Surfer
In comparison to both the feat, I think mine tops yours based in that Surfer feat is superior and that his done this a few times therefore he is by far a better energy to matter manipulator than FS.
Where did you see that narrated on panel ??? He said his blast had
minimal effect and that he would summon more power but then he got interrupted and blasted in the back before he can do more.Stop the hate Abhi, surfer is just that cool.
He discharged an energy blast to create the black hole with Gabriel's body. Again, not matter manipulation.
Phasing is rudimentary matter manipulation, Firestorm has done it countless times.
So, you accept that he was unable to change the sun until he was amped. Good.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Repeating nonsense doesn't makes it true. Surfer did create an infant sun but it wasn't some sort of matter manipulation.He discharged an energy blast to create the black hole with Gabriel's body. Again, not matter manipulation.
Phasing is rudimentary matter manipulation, Firestorm has done it countless times.
So, you accept that he was unable to change the sun until he was amped. Good.
Purposely he discharge energy in Gabriels body creating the blackhole - yeah - this energy is used to purposely make said so feat - energy to matter conversion. you have to be so freakin dumb to not get that.
“Phasing out of existence (out of reality) for Eons” how is that rudimentary matter manipulation ??? When did FS took himself out of reality ??? - Lowball at its finest -
Everything pointed out is energy/ matter manipulation period … > what you’ve shown of FS …
I accept that his blast was having a minimal effect and that he was about to give it more energy before he was attack - Fact Surfer has near limitless energy reserve; power to creat sun or blackhole. - given the opportunity to finish what he had started, it shouldn’t be without a doubt made a similar result ending in that comics.
Here’s another sun manipulation feat.
Done … you can’t climb out of this Abhi …
Originally posted by Ambient
Are you even looking at the scan? Or are you just slow? I even dumb it down for you with the explanation then back it up with a scan to make you understand. It says so on panel that his power cosmic birth the sun, you even said so yourself “Surfer did create a Sun” - evident not only by the narration on panel but also depicted by the drawings - yeah - matter (Sun) appeared from thin air - how in the world is that not considered matter manipulation?Purposely he discharge energy in Gabriels body creating the blackhole - yeah - this energy is used to purposely make said so feat - energy to matter conversion. you have to be so freakin dumb to not get that.
“Phasing out of existence (out of reality) for Eons” how is that rudimentary matter manipulation ??? When did FS took himself out of reality ??? - Lowball at its finest -
Everything pointed out is energy/ matter manipulation period … > what you’ve shown of FS …
I accept that his blast was having a minimal effect and that he was about to give it more energy before he was attack - Fact Surfer has near limitless energy reserve; power to creat sun or blackhole. - given the opportunity to finish what he had started, it shouldn’t be without a doubt made a similar result ending in that comics.
Here’s another sun manipulation feat.
Done … you can’t climb out of this Abhi …
So, no matter manipulation to create a black hole? It's an energy discharge, not transmutation.
Phasing is phasing. Even Martian Manhunter phases himself out of reality when he phases anytime. Not really interested in your tantrums.
How was he going to give more energy when he was already using his full power? Surfer has never created a full fledged sun, in fact creating small suns drained him.
Energy transfer to a small sun, the size of his hand? That's really cute lol.
Originally posted by Ambient
Hahaha that’s easy piecy for Surfer. His done this a few times.Here’s another example of theoretical yield … mass …
A sun…
In fact he can actually make somethin with a theoretical yield.
A sun…
Or heck! Something that has no actual theoretical mass.
A black hole…
You do know what they are referring to right in your scan? 🤔 What is theoretical mass.
Sure he does, here’s another example of planetary matter manipulation.
He has not only done this once but twice or 3x I think and speaking of fast energy/matter manipulation.
Here’s another one, “blink of an eye”
So yeah Surfer is by far a better MM, faster in gunning it down, more POWERFUL overall.
Very good examples of how he never has to physically come into contact to manipulate the environment.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We are talking about matter manipulation here, ergo transmuting one element to another. What did he transmute to create a small sun?So, no matter manipulation to create a black hole? It's an energy discharge, not transmutation.
Phasing is phasing. Even Martian Manhunter phases himself out of reality when he phases anytime. Not really interested in your tantrums.
How was he going to give more energy when he was already using his full power? Surfer has never created a full fledged sun, in fact creating small suns drained him.
Energy transfer to a small sun, the size of his hand? That's really cute lol.
The blackhole was brought about purposely by Surfers energy discharge. If there was no energy to matter manipulation involved
It would have remained energy instead of a blackhole. Why should we handicapped Surfer in just element to element conversion when he can also convert basic energy to element to show his superiority over FS in regards to matter manipulation 🙃 .
I’m dumbfounded by your response here, did FS all of a sudden developed MM powers ??? Other wise please show FS phase out of reality for over a billion years. - You really don’t stop with the low ball
- yeah -
By summoning more energy obviously, as said so on panel in the scan I provided as proof - do you even bother to look at those?
It’s the opposite Abhi he was so o weak already during that arc.
An yet he was able to make infant Sun with destructive force to hurt Knull - the low ball keep continuing 😆
The repeat lowballing of Surfer feats, the lies you’ll go through to prove your point is really getting tiresome and boring Abhi, it’s not amusing anymore -
Originally posted by Ambient
Dark matter, air ??? I don’t know, I don’t have PC or cosmic senses to know the procedure in how it’s created 😆 using his power cosmic to make matter (sun) but it was not and then it was, in the presence of total darkness … Fact is matter appeared out of where it wasn’t, get that in your head dude, he created matter, the procedure in its creation involves matter manipulation- live with it.The blackhole was brought about purposely by Surfers energy discharge. If there was no energy to matter manipulation involved
It would have remained energy instead of a blackhole. Why should we handicapped Surfer in just element to element conversion when he can also convert basic energy to element to show his superiority over FS in regards to matter manipulation 🙃 .I’m dumbfounded by your response here, did FS all of a sudden developed MM powers ??? Other wise please show FS phase out of reality for over a billion years. - You really don’t stop with the low ball
- yeah -By summoning more energy obviously, as said so on panel in the scan I provided as proof - do you even bother to look at those?
It’s the opposite Abhi he was so o weak already during that arc.
An yet he was able to make infant Sun with destructive force to hurt Knull - the low ball keep continuing 😆
The repeat lowballing of Surfer feats, the lies you’ll go through to prove your point is really getting tiresome and boring Abhi, it’s not amusing anymore -
You're aware that black holes are caused by stars collapsing, right? Do they transmute themselves too?
He caused Gabriel's body and surrounding matter to collapse into a black hole, not transmuted a black hole into existence.
So Martian Manhunter is a transmuter too, eh?
How's he summoning more power from himself when he was already at full power?
Good thing small suns aren't that difficult to create, yet Surfer was further drained. Knull also died in the real sun lol.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you have no proof it was transmutation? Good to know.You're aware that black holes are caused by stars collapsing, right? Do they transmute themselves too?
He caused Gabriel's body and surrounding matter to collapse into a black hole, not transmuted a black hole into existence.
So Martian Manhunter is a transmuter too, eh?
How's he summoning more power from himself when he was already at full power?
Good thing small suns aren't that difficult to create, yet Surfer was further drained. Knull also died in the real sun lol.
There is plenty of proof but unfortunately you blatantly denying it or completely ignoring it. There is just nothing I can do if you choose to refuse to see the supposed intention on panel because you don’t like the result.
(Transmutation) So what you are saying is that the energy discharge cause a nuclear reaction to change the surrounding matters atomic nucleus to collapse and therefore changing its element property into a different type of element (Gravity) 😂 what do u think that process is Abhi?
I don’t understand the relevancy of Martian Manhunter in your argument. Can he matter manipulate? I don’t know … he can phase that one I know, but then Night Crawler can phase too however the application in how they achieve those are different; one travels to a different dimension the other uses Martian manhunters powers 😅 but like I said, “ what is the relevance of this to our argument?’
Common sense dude because he was not done yet releasing all his powers on that panel but then when you look at the next panel His still blasting before getting bushwhacked from behind.
Anyhow this is getting boring.
Originally posted by Ambient
There is plenty of proof but unfortunately you blatantly denying it or completely ignoring it. There is just nothing I can do if you choose to refuse to see the supposed intention on panel because you don’t like the result.(Transmutation) So what you are saying is that the energy discharge cause a nuclear reaction to change the surrounding matters atomic nucleus to collapse and therefore changing its element property into a different type of element (Gravity) 😂 what do u think that process is Abhi?
I don’t understand the relevancy of Martian Manhunter in your argument. Can he matter manipulate? I don’t know … he can phase that one I know, but then Night Crawler can phase too however the application in how they achieve those are different; one travels to a different dimension the other uses Martian manhunters powers 😅 but like I said, “ what is the relevance of this to our argument?’
Common sense dude because he was not done yet releasing all his powers on that panel but then when you look at the next panel His still blasting before getting bushwhacked from behind.
Anyhow this is getting boring.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Anyways, regardless of what Firestorm theoretically could or could not do, he still loses to Surfer, who is incalculably faster than him and could kill him billions of ways before he can even react, with CIS off.So Surfer stomps.
FS is FTL and can react at those speeds.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is basically repeating the same thing over and over
You're boring me.
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