Team Chaos King vs Team Darkseid

Originally posted by Astner
There's another argument to be made here.

According to Infinity (in the penultimate scan above) Maelstrom would've supplanted Oblivion had he succeeded in his mission.

In an alternate future this happened. And the then ascended Maelstrom fought Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet for the dominion of the universe, reinforcing that:

Ascended Maelstrom ≈ Infinity Gauntlet > Eternity ≈ Oblivion.

- Quasar #30.

This makes Infinity holding her own vs Oblivion+Maelstrom+Quantum Bands+Anomaly's power+home field advantage even more impressive.

team 1.

mainly because i'm not sure how the other team would go about actually beating oblivion in a forum fight. 😕

first of all those were avatars of infinity and oblivion

second of all, oblivion scales to chaos king directly. everything chaos king has done (multiversal destruction), multiply ten folds

he's everything that isn't, everything that doesn't exist

he's the non-existence itself, the non existence beyond death
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Originally posted by MrMind
first of all those were avatars of infinity and oblivion

Originally posted by MrMind
second of all, oblivion scales to chaos king directly. everything chaos king has done (multiversal destruction), multiply ten folds

And universal destruction (while not easy) is certainly within the reach of beings like Odin and Galactus given enough time and resources.

Originally posted by MrMind
he's everything that isn't, everything that doesn't exist

he's the non-existence itself, the non existence beyond death

Also when Oblivion references what happened in Chaos War, he calls Mikaboshi as his aspect and not the Chaos King, to reach the levels seen at the end of the event he had to absorb countless gods and pantheons along the way before reaching his true Chaos King form. Which by default makes his maximum form and feats not applicable with Oblivion as he achieved it with powers external to his base power.

I don't think that's a good argument because Oblivion specifically pointed out that Mikaboshi almost succeeded, implying that he did in fact refer to the Mikaboshi as the Chaos King.

But like I said, most evidence points towards Mikaboshi being High-Skyfather level. Thor managed to hurt him, and All-father Hercules was able to put up a fight.

It's not completely black and white because you can make a (weak) case against it through Scrier from the same issue (Mighty Thor Annual #1) and his character history.

But the overwhelming evidence points to "multiverse" being just the universe + universes of the gods as the most sensible interpretation.

Although in retrospect Chaos King did defeat Nightmare in his dimension, and Nightmare defeated the Living Tribunal and killed a few Beyonders recently. 😬

but you also established that Chaos King was nowhere near Nightmare in terms of power:

Originally posted by Astner

And if this wasn't made clear enough, it's even explained in Scarlet Witch #13 that the Chaos King was nowhere near Eternity in terms of power.

Originally posted by Smurph
but you also established that Chaos King was nowhere near Nightmare in terms of power:

Originally posted by Astner
Then he destroyed the Dream Dimension.

I'm not, I'm just questioning the value of the statement in SW #13

yet nightmare>beyonders, it's more of a testament how powerful CK was

if nightmare>beyonders (and LT), and CK>nightmare, then it really devalues LT's and the beyonders station in the marvel universe. especially if CK was only universal (even after amping himself with the powers of various pantheons).

either that, or nightmare was full of shit when he said he beat those beyonders. i mean, we never saw him beat them on panel so we're kind of just taking his word for it.

Nightmare was recently retconned into a cosmic level being [future MCU villain?], before then he was not particularly powerful, in fact he's taken quite a few losses, even as late as Symbiote Spider-Man: Alien Reality (2019) #4 where he's finessed by Spider-man. Chaos War came out in 2010.

Originally posted by Astner
Nightmare was recently retconned into a cosmic level being [future MCU villain?]

Originally posted by Astner
Nightmare was recently retconned into a cosmic level being [future MCU villain?], before then he was not particularly powerful, in fact he's taken quite a few losses, even as late as Symbiote Spider-Man: Alien Reality (2019) #4 where he's finessed by Spider-man. Chaos War came out in 2010.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jean Grey bitchslapped Nightmare right off Earth

Skyfathers lol

Nightmare is all over the place

Or Jean is just that powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Or Jean is just that powerful.

Are we having our BZ?

Originally posted by carver9
Or Jean is just that powerful.

Jean >Nightmare > Beyonder > Living Tribunal?

If you can't see that this is wonky, then...ok.

oblivion is the void opposite to creation

a lesser oblivion, chaos king predates creation per eternity
he and eternity goes hand in hand

ck even in mikaboshi form before he ascend was greater than atum the god eater who in turn greater than galaxy busting skyfathers

not just amadeus cho, hercules (who was the direct opponent of CK) also declared CK to be the greatest threat the multiverse's ever been

in this context chaos war was clearly a multiversal event

chaos king literally scared marvel death away with tail between her legs

I don't see any of the team 2 beating lady death, let alone chaos king, let alone oblivion

Not even the current Darkseid? Hmmm.