what happened to the comic industry?

My mom is Thor?

Perhaps.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
In short, every thing is aimed at purple haired, sexually confused zoomers, who spend too much time on Twitter. Also, women low key dominate comics now. Especially in editorial.

I get that I am older than the target audience, for most pop culture, but there’s no way you can objectively argue that comics are as good as they used to be.

Do you yearn for the days where Superman could randomly pull Super Basket Weaving powers out his ass, or the JLA were turned into potted plants or some shit, or a full third of every comic panel was filled with exposition and words?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I get that I am older than the target audience, for most pop culture, but there’s no way you can objectively argue that comics are as good as they used to be.

You're comparing the things that most frustrate you about current comics with the things that you loved the most about comics back in the day. It's a faulty comparison.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do you yearn for the days where Superman could randomly pull Super Basket Weaving powers out his ass, or the JLA were turned into potted plants or some shit, or a full third of every comic panel was filled with exposition and words?

As for the thread - I think the biggest shift in the comics industry, easily, has been the MCU. Two decades ago, comic book movies occasionally got greenlit with no guarantee on profits. And comics themselves were never profitable (for publishers or stores) which is why Marvel nearly went bankrupt in the 90s.

Now, comics are angled to build momentum for characters and ideas to prop up the next Avengers: Endgame, which probably made more at the box office than the revenue generated by the entire comic industry that year.

Maybe that means that narrative gets compromised because comics ultimately become a form of marketing and merchandise for the movie industry. On the other hand, Marvel and DC must have more power to invest in ideas now without worrying as much about profits, in order to realize that investment at the box office (and in Disney+ subscriptions, etc). And other studios look to indie comics for hidden gems, etc.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
In short, every thing is aimed at purple haired, sexually confused zoomers, who spend too much time on Twitter. Also, women low key dominate comics now. Especially in editorial.

See this is speaking my language. Why am I blacklisted if you agree with me. I also do not understand why the men in charge let themselves be trounced out of power. Unless men are controlling everything from the Shadows while woman become CEOs in public leaders but have no real influence.

Comicvine is popping though

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do you yearn for the days where Superman could randomly pull Super Basket Weaving powers out his ass, or the JLA were turned into potted plants or some shit, or a full third of every comic panel was filled with exposition and words?

I got into comics in the early 90s, so I yearn of Dale Keown’s art, and utility belts with lots of pouches. I can appreciate silver and age comics for what they are. Yes a lot of the stories are incredibly goofy, but also some of the most creative and culturally significant characters and concepts came from that era.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I got into comics in the early 90s, so I yearn of Dale Keown’s art, and utility belts with lots of pouches. I can appreciate silver and age comics for what they are. Yes a lot of the stories are incredibly goofy, but also some of the most creative and culturally significant characters and concepts came from that era.

Try going backwards.

If you haven't read any Groo, you haven't lived.

Originally posted by Smurph
As for the thread - I think the biggest shift in the comics industry, easily, has been the MCU. Two decades ago, comic book movies occasionally got greenlit with no guarantee on profits. And comics themselves were never profitable (for publishers or stores) which is why Marvel nearly went bankrupt in the 90s.

Now, comics are angled to build momentum for characters and ideas to prop up the next Avengers: Endgame, which probably made more at the box office than the revenue generated by the entire comic industry that year.

Maybe that means that narrative gets compromised because comics ultimately become a form of marketing and merchandise for the movie industry. On the other hand, Marvel and DC must have more power to invest in ideas now without worrying as much about profits, in order to realize that investment at the box office (and in Disney+ subscriptions, etc). And other studios look to indie comics for hidden gems, etc.

but that's just fan base for the movie though

people still buy actual comic books?

comics popularity is one third of the manga in america alone, if im being generous

from where ive seen

also for vs battles why do sites like kmc and comicvine have way fewer debators compare to 10 years ago

there's no traffic in comic vs battles at all

Originally posted by MrMind
but that's just fan base for the movie though

people still buy actual comic books?

comics popularity is one third of the manga in america alone, if im being generous

from where ive seen

also for vs battles why do sites like kmc and comicvine have way fewer debators compare to 10 years ago

there's no traffic in comic vs battles at all

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23013512/us-manga-sales-chartbeat-feature-tracking-sales-drama

If you look at the numbers in the actual report, comic book sales are still more popular than manga sales in North America, and both industries are going through growth spurts, although manga more quickly and impressively.

But my point is that a direct comparison doesn't make a lot of sense because comics these days are about transforming readers into moviegoers and vice versa. Comic book publishing is now all about growing the value of the IP.

Originally posted by Smurph
No

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23013512/us-manga-sales-chartbeat-feature-tracking-sales-drama

If you look at the numbers in the actual report, comic book sales are still more popular than manga sales in North America, and both industries are going through growth spurts, although manga more quickly and impressively.

But my point is that a direct comparison doesn't make a lot of sense because comics these days are about transforming readers into moviegoers and vice versa. Comic book publishing is now all about growing the value of the IP.

that's just it though, actual book sales is a very small reflection of what reality is

anime/manga fans are usually reading online just like most comic book fans

also if you check out anime sites like crunchyroll the traffic is insane

let's take comicvine for example, the biggest comic site on google

check out their vs forum, 60 percent of battles are anime related, the rest is comic movie versus, actual comic battles are like 10 percent

Take a look at r/whowouldwin

Looks like a mix of comic book and manga characters

as far as lgbtq and political correctness in comic

i can see why, that's the direction most of the first world is moving

also comic fans are usually losers and nerds of the social groups, so they by themselves grew up "minority" in some way

the "cool" kids of the society don't really read comics like that

Originally posted by Smurph
No

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23013512/us-manga-sales-chartbeat-feature-tracking-sales-drama

If you look at the numbers in the actual report, comic book sales are still more popular than manga sales in North America, and both industries are going through growth spurts, although manga more quickly and impressively.

But my point is that a direct comparison doesn't make a lot of sense because comics these days are about transforming readers into moviegoers and vice versa. Comic book publishing is now all about growing the value of the IP.

That's Polygon dude, it's tabloid trash.

Originally posted by Smurph
Take a look at r/whowouldwin

Looks like a mix of comic book and manga characters

that place is a mess, it's like mostly movie and tv show characters mix with manga and few comics

400k members looks like a lot, but compare to most hobbies on reddit this is tiny (for example r/nba has 6 million members)