Originally posted by Astnerhmmm, disagree they aren't evidence.
It's my impression from forums and social media.Like I said, these are estimates and these particular are made worse by the fact that they're based off Diamond's shipments, because Diamond no longer distributes comics for DC.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
hmmm, disagree they aren't evidence.
That said, even if there's a growth (which there may well be) it's likely a consequence of an overall market growth, where comics are very likely to overshadowed by manga in the U.S. according to NPD Bookscan's report.
You may think this is because manga is comparatively small in the U.S. but it isn't.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait.If Diamond no longer distributes DC;
And their numbers are going UP compared to previous years;
And previous years include DC;
Surely.....that means sales overall are up?
Originally posted by AstnerYes, it is evidence. It may not be evidence you like or supports your feelings Astner, but it is evidence.
Estimates is evidence, but it's weak evidence.That said, even if there's a growth (which there may well be) it's likely a consequence of an overall market growth, where comics are very likely to overshadowed by manga in the U.S. according to NPD Bookscan's report.
You may think this is because manga is comparatively small in the U.S. but it isn't.
No, because the reports aren't solely based off Diamond's numbers but also on ICV2, this is made clear on the site Whirly linked.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yes, it is evidence. It may not be evidence you like or supports your feelings Astner, but it is evidence.
That said, I don't think you understood my argument.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
👆 It does.
Originally posted by Astner
Estimates is evidence, but it's weak evidence.That said, even if there's a growth (which there may well be) it's likely a consequence of an overall market growth, where comics are very likely to overshadowed by manga in the U.S. according to NPD Bookscan's report.
You may think this is because manga is comparatively small in the U.S. but it isn't.
No, because the reports aren't solely based off Diamond's numbers but also on ICV2, this is made clear on the site Whirly linked.
BUT I'm addressing your concerns about using the Diamond methodology.
The link clearly shows Diamond numbers going up
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Originally posted by Khazra RebornPlease provide evidence for your opinion.
You guys are arguing the number of titles that are shipped (sold to independent retailers), but the actual numbers those stores sell is in the absolute toilet. The truth is, most retailers have giant piles of unsold comics rotting on their shelves that they are forced to try and sell at a discount.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Crunchyroll has insane traffic?Avengers made a billion at the box office. Even something like The Joker made huge profits. Let's not drag nonprint media into this.
how many out of those hundreds of millions people who watch avengers world wide, do you think follow weekly comics release every tuesday/wednesday
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You guys are arguing the number of titles that are shipped (sold to independent retailers), but the actual numbers those stores sell is in the absolute toilet. The truth is, most retailers have giant piles of unsold comics rotting on their shelves that they are forced to try and sell at a discount.
Two things:
1. The numbers are increasing year on year. If what you say is true, after a couple/three years the shops would be out of money - or else, maybe they're turning a profit even with those discounted titles;
2. The numbers include digital sales too. Maybe brick and mortar comic shops are doing badly, but it's different online, much like any other media (record shops being a prime example).
Edit: maybe the numbers aren't adjusted for inflation? I don't know
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Please provide evidence for your opinion.
That said, he's correct in that Diamond only distributes comics to resellers, and not to the direct market.
Originally posted by Khazra RebornThat's always been the case. There's never been any room to profit as a comic book store. That said, it looks like they're ordering more from Diamond now than ever before, so...
You guys are arguing the number of titles that are shipped (sold to independent retailers), but the actual numbers those stores sell is in the absolute toilet. The truth is, most retailers have giant piles of unsold comics rotting on their shelves that they are forced to try and sell at a discount.
Originally posted by MrMind
it's nothing like 10 years ago at allit seems like there is no traction in discussing new events and different titles
vs forum as well there is no debate on any matchups
not only here but throughout the internet
has anime officially taken over the comic nerd demographics?
In short: the wrong people are in charge now.