Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe we should dismiss everything Surfer does as flowery description too.
Exactly as the kid says here, "The silver Surfer sucks"
Originally posted by AmbientUnfortunately, no, you do not seem to understand. When from Surfer's frame of reference time is stopped, independent of the means, he cannot move within it, he cannot activate any process. If he needs to quickdraw before the time stop takes effect, otherwise he cannot move, it means that, well, he cannot process and act in timestop.
Ohh I understand it fully, however your analogy does not apply to the feat being discussed. You see in order for you to see that, you need to understand the process of how this feat is applied, it’s base is movement and without this it cannot be applied. Surfer being hit by the time gem effect made him unable to activate the process in which the feat is done since he can’t move. Think of it as a similar to a quick draw, first one to draw the gun wins. The time gem activated first and he succumb to the effect.Actually that’s an Uber feat it’s like instant reaction 😱, think about it. The explosion is activated via his touch, he touch the bubble it explode yet his speed allowed to retrieve shalabal, that .1 sec is after the fact and a countdown to the expanding explosion.
Nope you can’t operate norm when your mind is clouded and no my credibility is intact man. I crop so that’s it’s easier to see.
Nope he can’t move thru stop time.
The reason why he said that Phil is because he is greatly weakened by they’re weapon and fighting BRB, Ego, Drax … etc etc
So let’s sum it up.
- Surfer has near instant speed and reaction
- Superman has no answer to time stop
Surfer was unable to save Mantis, on his board, at his limit, from an explosion that was activated when he was right besides her. Unfortunately, even for somebody like Byrne era Superman, even from a standing position, casually outracing explosions with two people in tow is not something that is difficult:
He has also overcame time stop, something which Surfer has not -- and I see the other people are now correcting you [again].
As I said -- we're orders of magnitude removed from Surfer's speed potency here. I'm afraid we have to go to a bit down on the scale to find him a more manageable match-up.
You're using words [similar to cropping panels] to mask the context -- the 'psionic manipulation' and 'clouded mind' is a simple likeability trait. Surfer likes Runner. That doesn't stop Surfer from fighting him but being outsped and overpowered to a significant degree, by his own admission, by the sub-lightspeed character. It just makes it obvious that he is not only orders of magnitude removed from this thread, but he'd have significant problems with characters in that vicinity, like post-Crisis Black Adam.
As for the time bubble scans -- you don't understand [again] that the fact that Surfer is hurt has no relation to the fact that while the time bubble is active, the power cosmic itself cannot be used for various effects, as directly stated: https://ibb.co/6ZSGz5q
In essence - you've effectively confined him to a small time bubble that doesn't limit his opponent and limits him to a stationary being who doesn't have any feats of applications with the PC or otherwise to even defend himself. Which is hilarious, if not sad.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Unfortunately, no, you do not seem to understand. When from Surfer's frame of reference time is stopped, independent of the means, he cannot move within it, he cannot activate any process. If he needs to quickdraw before the time stop takes effect, otherwise he cannot move, it means that, well, he cannot process and act in timestop.Surfer was unable to save Mantis, on his board, at his limit, from an explosion that was activated when he was right besides her. Unfortunately, even for somebody like Byrne era Superman, even from a standing position, casually outracing explosions with two people in tow is not something that is difficult:
He has also overcame time stop, something which Surfer has not -- and I see the other people are now correcting you [again].
As I said -- we're orders of magnitude removed from Surfer's speed potency here. I'm afraid we have to go to a bit down on the scale to find him a more manageable match-up.
You're using words [similar to cropping panels] to mask the context -- the 'psionic manipulation' and 'clouded mind' is a simple likeability trait. Surfer likes Runner. That doesn't stop Surfer from fighting him but being outsped and overpowered to a significant degree, by his own admission, by the sub-lightspeed character. It just makes it obvious that he is not only orders of magnitude removed from this thread, but he'd have significant problems with characters in that vicinity, like post-Crisis Black Adam.
As for the time bubble scans -- you don't understand [again] that the fact that Surfer is hurt has no relation to the fact that while the time bubble is active, the power cosmic itself cannot be used for various effects, as directly stated: https://ibb.co/6ZSGz5q
In essence - you've effectively confined him to a small time bubble that doesn't limit his opponent and limits him to a stationary being who doesn't have any feats of applications with the PC or otherwise to even defend himself. Which is hilarious, if not sad.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
A fraction of nanosecond suspended(stopped) between past and future...I.E, it doesn't move forward anymoreThe measurement of time tells you that this instant/split second was suspended. It literally functions as the same meaning as this scan when it states a split second lasts forever.....
https://ibb.co/9bjmHX1And if we want to go technical, the word "dilation" means the action or condition of becoming or being made wider, larger, or more open.
And combining with the fact the scan states the instant "suspended between eternities of past and future" can be easily argued that the "time dilation" is referring to time is strecthed/slowed to a stop
He had a temporary upgrade from the GL energy as stated on scan above, which make since how he was for some reason speeded up and became immune to the time dilation, base on the scan below.
Basically what I’m saying is that this feat was not done through his own power set because he had a temporary upgrade from the Green lantern ring. This was why without that temporary upgrade he succumb to time stop proven in the scan below, which by the way is a more recent showing.
Originally posted by Ambient
Suspended = temporary stop, a fraction of that nanosecond was temporary stop then resumed after but all the same Superman did move when time stop 👍 however take a look at the scan below.He had a temporary upgrade from the GL energy as stated on scan above, which make since how he was for some reason speeded up and became immune to the time dilation, base on the scan below.
Basically what I’m saying is that this feat was not done through his own power set because he had a temporary upgrade from the Green lantern ring. This was why without that temporary upgrade he succumb to time stop proven in the scan below, which by the way is a more recent showing.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Do you understand that the scene of Superman saying that he has residual GL power inside of him and snuffing it out [b]takes place after he has already encountered Hal and plowed through time-stop? Do you understand that having residual Green Lantern energy from his interaction inside of him -- and Superman being more powerful are two distinct things? Do you understand that Superman doesn't get 'sunamped' by residual Green Lantern Energy?Do you understand that lying, continuously, cropping scans, purposely misleading chronology, purposely not understanding time frames etc. are the most extreme, and blatant examples of purposeful trolling? Do you understand that, at this point, it's better to admit you're trolling -- than to say that's who you are? [/B]
Originally posted by Philosophía
You lied about literally everything in this discussion - Abin Sur amping Superman, Superman leaking energy, Superman being powered up, the order the scenes take place in - to the point where you even tried to lie by cropping scans, conflating panels that take place years apart, and more.As I've said, it's the most blatant example of trolling since I've been here.
Now, you're purposely failing/trolling to understand that, first of all, the residual GL energy is only after Superman already had plowed through time-stop and was sent back to Metropolis by Hal [alongside all of the other candidates] -- and also failing to understand that the residual GL energy has nothing to do with amping Superman in any way since it's a separate power source from his own power, and Superman never even used it and chose to snuff it out, compared to the rest who used the residual constructs:
The reason he ironically says "More power...that's all I need. I'll just supress it and get back to help Hal if I can" is because he doesn't need to use the residual GL power, so he ignores it. And the reason he says "get back to help Hal" is not because the following scene is the time-stop, it's because the scene BEFORE the residual power was present is Hal summoning him while he is near-death [and stopping time], so he thinks that Hal is still in problems.
How can you possibly read this so badly, when you even posted a link to the issue, that everybody can see?
You're a human disaster.
Also if you have any doubt about Superman stating he "somehow was sped up"
During that period, DC decided that too many people know Superman's secret identity, so they decided to erase the fact Hal knew Superman's secret identity/Hal doesn't know Superman's secret identity.
That's why this issue was decided to be the offical canon issue for Action Comics Weekly, and Superman needed to hide his identity from Hal by pretending he is just a regular reporter
Originally posted by Ambient
Suspended = temporary stop, a fraction of that nanosecond was temporary stop then resumed after but all the same Superman did move when time stop 👍 however take a look at the scan below.He had a temporary upgrade from the GL energy as stated on scan above, which make since how he was for some reason speeded up and became immune to the time dilation, base on the scan below.
Basically what I’m saying is that this feat was not done through his own power set because he had a temporary upgrade from the Green lantern ring. This was why without that temporary upgrade he succumb to time stop proven in the scan below, which by the way is a more recent showing.
Keep it up.
Just how many times Superman need to counter total time stop for this idiot to stop harping about Surfer's supposed superiority?
This Superman isn't even a fraction powerful as current Superman and he still counters time stop just fine.
This is what tenth such instance as opposed to one silver age hyperbole and one harakiri time stop for Surfer?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Unfortunately, no, you do not seem to understand. When from Surfer's frame of reference time is stopped, independent of the means, he cannot move within it, he cannot activate any process. If he needs to quickdraw before the time stop takes effect, otherwise he cannot move, it means that, well, he cannot process and act in timestop.Surfer was unable to save Mantis, on his board, at his limit, from an explosion that was activated when he was right besides her. Unfortunately, even for somebody like Byrne era Superman, even from a standing position, casually outracing explosions with two people in tow is not something that is difficult:
He has also overcame time stop, something which Surfer has not -- and I see the other people are now correcting you [again].
As I said -- we're orders of magnitude removed from Surfer's speed potency here. I'm afraid we have to go to a bit down on the scale to find him a more manageable match-up.
You're using words [similar to cropping panels] to mask the context -- the 'psionic manipulation' and 'clouded mind' is a simple likeability trait. Surfer likes Runner. That doesn't stop Surfer from fighting him but being outsped and overpowered to a significant degree, by his own admission, by the sub-lightspeed character. It just makes it obvious that he is not only orders of magnitude removed from this thread, but he'd have significant problems with characters in that vicinity, like post-Crisis Black Adam.
As for the time bubble scans -- you don't understand [again] that the fact that Surfer is hurt has no relation to the fact that while the time bubble is active, the power cosmic itself cannot be used for various effects, as directly stated: https://ibb.co/6ZSGz5q
In essence - you've effectively confined him to a small time bubble that doesn't limit his opponent and limits him to a stationary being who doesn't have any feats of applications with the PC or otherwise to even defend himself. Which is hilarious, if not sad.
That’s just silly Phil! You can’t compare that to this.
First off the subjects he was trying to save is moving really fast, and second he was not aware that upon contact to the sphere it will explode, while the Superman feat you where trying to compare it to not only does he know all the detail of what’s going to happen but also the bomb is right below the woman therefore it will explode only after her removal as oppose to bomb detonating first before reaching and removing to save - the Surfers feat, a far better feat.
No he did not! He has never been able to move on a time stop.
Cropping made it easier and straight forward for you to see the bases of what I’m trying to point out.
I’ll get the rest later very late
🙂
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also if you have any doubt about Superman stating he "somehow was sped up"During that period, DC decided that too many people know Superman's secret identity, so they decided to erase the fact Hal knew Superman's secret identity/Hal doesn't know Superman's secret identity.
That's why this issue was decided to be the offical canon issue for Action Comics Weekly, and Superman needed to hide his identity from Hal by pretending he is just a regular reporter
And it’s pretty valid my ciunter argument is . None was made up.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just how many times Superman need to counter total time stop for this idiot to stop harping about Surfer's supposed superiority?This Superman isn't even a fraction powerful as current Superman and he still counters time stop just fine.
This is what tenth such instance as opposed to one silver age hyperbole and one harakiri time stop for Surfer?
It’s a temporal modulation field, it does not stop time.
Originally posted by Ambient
It wasn’t by his own choice to speed up, this was why he didn’t know why his speed up.And it’s pretty valid my ciunter argument is . None was made up.
I mean by your logic
1.Superman didn't know why he was sped up because he can't detect the GL's energy
2. And then Superman suddenly knew/can detect the GL's energy....because?
Oh, And I found Philo seems forgot to include Deadman scene, where it let's know what the "residual GL's energy" is( after the timestop ceased, those who were chosen can use some residual GL's energy to temporarily make constructs or something)
https://ibb.co/njjbrbw
https://ibb.co/k800L13
