Have not followed the entire thread, nor know what the specific argument is, but if there's doubt male issues are ignored then what about the "stop targeting women journalists" meme?
You've seen it, the right pushed it to the moon, but it did happen.
Here it is in case you haven't seen it;
https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/yl4sag/so_target_only_men_why_not_stop_targeting/
Full disclosure; I personally don't even buy into men as a group, and think mens rights activists don't understand the real problem.
It isn't about sex, but about class. Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Joe Biden all could care less about working class/poor white men. Upper class/wealthy white men vote democrat, poor whites vote republican, it isn't only beause of racism imo. It is because there is no advocacy group for being white and male and poor.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It looks like the podcast (Fresh & Fit) triggered you and you continue to react like a typical Feminazi in your posts here. You were quick to declare men in the podcast incels and question my motive by extension. How would I know that you find this podcast objectionable? Do I know you in person? You could point out the problem without your unwelcome vitoral. I do NOT watch this podcast on a regular basis and neither you should assume that I would agree with every single statement of its hosts. Nevertheless, subscription base of this podcast has exceeded 1.5 million which indicates that the hosts are doing a fine job or their talking points resonate with experiences of many people out there. Go figure.Coming towards the topic:
Yes, there's not enough evidence to determine what happened. But the man [in question] has no track record of being violent or mistreating women. He was an accomplished academic (Teacher and Principal), and well-respected for his work.
The man's daughter from his previous marriage came forward and pointed out that her step mom is a toxic woman and her father was not happy.
"However, law enforcement believed her enough to put him in jail for two nights, charge him with the two domestic violence-related offenses, and set his bail at $10,000._
In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, his daughter claimed that it was actually Marlena who was abusive, and accused the divorced mother of tearing apart her family.
Brittany Christensen, 26, is one of the late principal's three children from his first marriage, which ended in divorce in 1999."
'The charges were inaccurate. [Marlena] has been very difficult in our family for about the last year, and we haven't had any contact with her,' the daughter said.
'I'd just now started regaining contact with him over the last two weeks, and it's been really great. He'd been trying to figure out how to leave her.
'In my opinion, it seems like this, in his mind, was his way out of his relationship.
'She's been abusive to our entire family for five years. That's why we don't have any contact with her any more,' Brittany added, claiming Marlena's story to cops was 'riddled with lies'.
The man's mother also pointed out that she had reservations about her son's second wife. This information is in following link:
These women are lying?
And you think that I am saying "Nope. Man good. Woman bad." ??
You claim to be neutral but your unwelcome vitoral suggest otherwise.
You FAILED to understand the problem:
"The wife can call the police and get her husband arrested by accusing him of doing something he never did. While the man is subjected to embarassing treatment by the Police and a potentially lengthy investigation process, he can loose his job as well and this loss might push him over the edge."
Go ahead and prove those women wrong if you can.
I take back everything I said. PHUCK Marlena Christensen. This Bytch needs to be sodomized with a hot curling iron everyday for the horror she put her family through as she UNDENIABLY overloaded her husband with such vitriolic verbal harassment that he was helplessly driven to suicide as his only escape. Like I said, DIZ Bytch gotz tagow S.W. Legend is 💯% correct here and an UNDENIABLE HERO, ETERNAL ALPHA MALE, AND ALL-TIME MEISTERMENSCH© for calling this atrocious family terrorizer out so THANX INFINITELY MY BRO!!!!
Originally posted by StyleTime
Question:What psychotic world does S_W_Legend live in that the gender distribution of teachers is even relevant to this case or thread?
It's almost like he used a random red herring to deflect to an unrelated topic since his OP is so deeply flawed.
I concede on this part. The gender distribution of teachers is irrelevant point of discussion for this topic. My bad.
I also admit that my original post could be better constructed.
KMC post edit system is lame.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You have made it so we can't quote you, probably due to some character you're using. I'm just going to have to speak generally here.
KMC quoting system is bugged. Forum code is outdated.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You still don't seem to understand, or are deliberately ignoring, the fact that we don't have all the evidence here. Maybe she lied. Maybe he lied. Maybe they both lied, and he's guilty of one charge but not the other.The only objective stance we can take here is this: We don't know, because the guy committed suicide before his trial.
Instead of just accepting that, you've elected to say "I may not know what happened, but I do know he's innocent and she's lying."
How is this not computing for you?
I completely understand what you are saying, but I do not find your stance "objective." You are [echoing] the IMPRESSION of the accused that was created by the SYSTEM that he [might be] guilty of the crime (i.e., domestic violence) because relevant charges were filed against him by the Police. These charges are "misdemeanor battery on a spouse or co-habitant" and "misdemeanor child abuse" respectively. I provided evidence of the fact that these charges can be filed on the basis of a woman's mere account in the absence of the on-site evidence of domestic violence (i.e., guilty until proven innocent). Even though the accused was an upstanding citizen, he had no choice but to prove his innocence in the court to be exonerated from the charges against him. But his reputation and career took a hit and he opted out instead. This is objective take on the issue.
For recap:
(A) What is known about Christensen and his wife Marlena?
1. Brittany (Christensen's biological daughter) came forward and disclosed that her step mom Marlena is toxic and ruined her family. Brittany further contended that Christensen was in distress due to his BAD marital situation and that Marlena is lying about him. Karen (Christensen's biological mother) also pointed out that she had reservations about Marlena.
POINT? These revelations cast doubt on Marlena's credibility, but reflect positively on Christensen's credibility.
One can take the position that Christensen's daughter and mom can be biased about him but what about others who knew him in person? Let us see:
2. Christensen had good standing among those who knew him. You can see different women praising him and grieving his loss.
POINT? These revelations reflect positively on Christensen's credibility.
Christensen's background is established as that of a man who respected women and was respected by women in general. Right?
But Brittany disclosed that Christensen was in distress due to his BAD marital situation. This explains why there was a domestic dispute between Christensen and Marlena.
(B) How Christensen was treated when Marlena called the cops on him?
But "How Christensen was treated when his wife called the cops" on him? He was in serious trouble from this point onward.
(C) How the SYSTEM works?
3. Christensen could be [easily] charged on following counts:
- Charges of misdemeanor battery on a spouse or co-habitant.
- Charges of misdemeanor child abuse.
I pointed out with citations (here and here) that there is no need for on-site evidence of physical violence to charge a man on both counts. All it takes is a woman to call the police and "accuse" him of the deed.
It is realistic to assume that BOTH (husband and wife) would have exchanged harsh words in a domestic dispute - BOTH bear responsibility for causing distress to children at home in this situation. But Marlena was NOT charged with "misdemeanor child abuse," only Christensen.
Christensen was charged on both counts and:
- Christensen spent TWO DAYS in a jail and had to pay a 10,000 USD bond to secure his release from custody.
- Because of the charges filed, Christensen's employment as Principal of a school was affected and he feared that he would loose his job.
THE OUTCOME
It will be illogical to assume that Marlena is utterly devoid of character but Brittany [exposed] her negative side in her account that is now in Public. Christensen was an upstanding citizen but he was in distress due to his BAD marital situation. Marlena accused him of being abusive followed by the SYSTEM giving him "the guilty until proven innocent" treatment due to how it works - these experiences took further toll on him and drove him to suicide in the end. By extension, a family unit is ruined and Christensen's loss is being felt in organization(s) that he chose to serve.
Christensen, in fact, admitted [in writing] that Marlena regretted her decision to involve Police in her domestic dispute with him. But the SYSTEM is designed to give "guilty until proven innocent" treatment to a man [accused] of domestic violence from the outset in spite of LACK of on-site evidence.
Still do not get it?
Put yourself in the shoes of the accused and assume that you had an argument with your female partner over something and exchanged a few harsh words with her. She [can] use this argument as the basis to call the cops and tell them that you hit her and your child saw it. This is it. The SYSTEM allows the cops to take her accusation at face value, arrest you, and charge you on both counts of "misdemeanor battery on a spouse or co-habitant" and "misdemeanor child abuse" in view of her mere account. Since these charges are filed against you, OTHERS will think that perhaps you did it (i.e., guilty until proven innocent). OTHERS will give you the "looks" and your employer might suspend you from your job. The system has created this IMPRESSION about you in Public. You have no choice but to prove your innocence in the court. Your personal history and credentials are irrelevant. You better have "money" because lawyers are not doing charity work out there.
Still do not get it?
Here:
Most laws are usually biased against the dominant partner in the relationship, who, in most cases is male.
I rest my case.
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I admit that I did NOT disclose everything in my original post in the manner like above.
I cited a podcast in my original post because "I learned about Christensen's case from it." People are not checking mainstream news on a 24/7 basis - podcasts can draw attention to social issues that might be overlooked otherwise.
But the podcast offended you and you accused me of being dishonest, making assumptions, and outright making things up about Christensen. You misjudged my intent, my criticism, my statements, and accused me of outright lying. You are highly accusatory and your ego seems to supersede your judgement capacity even in the face of evidence and rebuttals provided to you.
For the sake of clarity: Domestic violence is a problem in itself and the Police is supposed to do its job when called upon to attend to a case of this nature.
My criticism is directed towards "How the SYSTEM works" part in relation to handling domestic violence cases.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou have a manifesto?
I concede on this part. The gender distribution of teachers is irrelevant point of discussion for this topic. My bad.I also admit that my original post could be better constructed.
KMC post edit system is lame.
KMC quoting system is bugged. Forum code is outdated.
I completely understand what you are saying, but I do not find your stance "objective." You are [echoing] the IMPRESSION of the accused that was created by the SYSTEM that he [might be] guilty of the crime (i.e., domestic violence) because relevant charges were filed against him by the Police. These charges are "misdemeanor battery on a spouse or co-habitant" and "misdemeanor child abuse" respectively. I provided evidence of the fact that these charges can be filed on the basis of a woman's mere account in the absence of the on-site evidence of domestic violence (i.e., guilty until proven innocent). Even though the accused was an upstanding citizen, he had no choice but to prove his innocence in the court to be exonerated from the charges against him. But his reputation and career took a hit and he opted out instead. This is objective take on the issue.
For recap:
(A) What is known about Christensen and his wife Marlena?
[B]1.
Brittany (Christensen's biological daughter) came forward and disclosed that her step mom Marlena is toxic and ruined her family. Brittany further contended that Christensen was in distress due to his BAD marital situation and that Marlena is lying about him. Karen (Christensen's biological mother) also pointed out that she had reservations about Marlena.POINT? These revelations cast doubt on Marlena's credibility, but reflect positively on Christensen's credibility.
One can take the position that Christensen's daughter and mom can be biased about him but what about others who knew him in person? Let us see:
2. Christensen had good standing among those who knew him. You can see different women praising him and grieving his loss.
POINT? These revelations reflect positively on Christensen's credibility.
Christensen's background is established as that of a man who respected women and was respected by women in general. Right?
But Brittany disclosed that Christensen was in distress due to his BAD marital situation. This explains why there was a domestic dispute between Christensen and Marlena.
(B) How Christensen was treated when Marlena called the cops on him?
But "How Christensen was treated when his wife called the cops" on him? He was in serious trouble from this point onward.
(C) How the SYSTEM works?
3. Christensen could be [easily] charged on following counts:
- Charges of misdemeanor battery on a spouse or co-habitant.
- Charges of misdemeanor child abuse.
I pointed out with citations (here and here) that there is no need for on-site evidence of physical violence to charge a man on both counts. All it takes is a woman to call the police and "accuse" him of the deed.
It is realistic to assume that BOTH (husband and wife) would have exchanged harsh words in a domestic dispute - BOTH bear responsibility for causing distress to children at home in this situation. But Marlena was NOT charged with "misdemeanor child abuse," only Christensen.
Christensen was charged on both counts and:
- Christensen spent TWO DAYS in a jail and had to pay a 10,000 USD bond to secure his release from custody.
- Because of the charges filed, Christensen's employment as Principal of a school was affected and he feared that he would loose his job.
THE OUTCOME
It will be illogical to assume that Marlena is utterly devoid of character but Brittany [exposed] her negative side in her account that is now in Public. Christensen was an upstanding citizen but he was in distress due to his BAD marital situation. Marlena accused him of being abusive followed by the SYSTEM giving him "the guilty until proven innocent" treatment due to how it works - these experiences took further toll on him and drove him to suicide in the end. By extension, a family unit is ruined and Christensen's loss is being felt in organization(s) that he chose to serve.
Christensen, in fact, admitted [in writing] that Marlena regretted her decision to involve Police in her domestic dispute with him. But the SYSTEM is designed to give "guilty until proven innocent" treatment to a man [accused] of domestic violence from the outset in spite of LACK of on-site evidence.
Still do not get it?
Put yourself in the shoes of the accused and assume that you had an argument with your female partner over something and exchanged a few harsh words with her. She [can] use this argument as the basis to call the cops and tell them that you hit her and your child saw it. This is it. The SYSTEM allows the cops to take her accusation at face value, arrest you, and charge you on both counts of "misdemeanor battery on a spouse or co-habitant" and "misdemeanor child abuse" in view of her mere account. Since these charges are filed against you, OTHERS will think that perhaps you did it (i.e., guilty until proven innocent). OTHERS will give you the "looks" and your employer might suspend you from your job. The system has created this IMPRESSION about you in Public. You have no choice but to prove your innocence in the court. Your personal history and credentials are irrelevant. You better have "money" because lawyers are not doing charity work out there.
Still do not get it?
Here:
Most laws are usually biased against the dominant partner in the relationship, who, in most cases is male.
I rest my case.
---
I admit that I did NOT disclose everything in my original post in the manner like above.
I cited a podcast in my original post because "I learned about Christensen's case from it." People are not checking mainstream news on a 24/7 basis - podcasts can draw attention to social issues that might be overlooked otherwise.
But the podcast offended you and you accused me of being dishonest, making assumptions, and outright making things up about Christensen. You misjudged my intent, my criticism, my statements, and accused me of outright lying. You are highly accusatory and your ego seems to supersede your judgement capacity even in the face of evidence and rebuttals provided to you.
For the sake of clarity: Domestic violence is a problem in itself and the Police is supposed to do its job when called upon to attend to a case of this nature.
My criticism is directed towards "How the SYSTEM works" part in relation to handling domestic violence cases. [/B]
Basically, the Bytch falsely accused him of hitting her, his entire life got ruined due to the false allegations, and he ended up committing suicide in hopeless despair. Legend is clearly pointing out the unregulated susceptibility of domestic battery investigations to wanton false allegations, which is an unfortunate abuse of the judicial system that we are trying to find a solution to but it continues to be a quagmire at the foundation of law enforcement and the impetus of the term "innocent until proven guilty"
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You keep bringing up the issue of cops, but cops still require probable cause to arrest even in domestic violence situations. This is from the official California penal code which is publicly available to everyone. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&division=&title=5.&part=4.&chapter=1.&article=
(b) The written policies shall encourage the arrest of domestic violence offenders if there is probable cause that an offense has been committed.
Additionally, cases generally only proceed if the prosecution feels they have enough evidence to make a case against the accused. Had the guy not killed himself, maybe we'd know what they found and could judge for ourselves. (The bond is given back if they discover she was lying btw.)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Put yourself in the shoes of the accused and assume that you had an argument with your female partner over something and exchanged a few harsh words with her.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But the podcast offended you and you accused me of being dishonest, making assumptions, and outright making things up about Christensen. You misjudged my intent, my criticism, my statements, and accused me of outright lying. You are highly accusatory and your ego seems to supersede your judgement capacity even in the face of evidence and rebuttals provided to you.
You claim he was fired, which was a lie. You then said he was "suspended", to avoid admitting it was paid leave until his trial was over. You repeatedly called the accusations "false" despite not actually having all the facts of the case. You called an objectively true stance, which is that we don't know what happened, being a "feminazi."
Yeah dude, I'll continue to call you dishonest until you stop being dishonest.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Basically, the Bytch falsely accused him of hitting her, his entire life got ruined due to the false allegations, and he ended up committing suicide in hopeless despair. Legend is clearly pointing out the unregulated susceptibility of domestic battery investigations to wanton false allegations, which is an unfortunate abuse of the judicial system that we are trying to find a solution to but it continues to be a quagmire at the foundation of law enforcement and the impetus of the term "innocent until proven guilty"
This case just doesn't work as an example though, and this thread is about the case. He'd need an example where things like this happened: accusations found to be false, cops/investigators ****ed up, rights violated, etc.
Since the accused died, this case is basically lost to the wind. It's unlikely we'll ever know what happened here.
This is correct, if the police show up and person A says that person B assaulted them and person B denies it, then there has to be some evidence present to lead to an arrest.
I'm guessing she had some sort of mark on her and/or the guy admitted to something physical happening, maybe pushing her or throwing an object. All just a guess though.
S_W_Legend believes the police showed up and made an arrest with absolute zero proof of an assault. If that were the case, the man would have had a nice lawsuit against the police department on his hands.
Originally posted by Robtard
This is correct, if the police show up and person A says that person B assaulted them and person B denies it, then there has to be some evidence present to lead to an arrest.I'm guessing she had some sort of mark on her and/or the guy admitted to something physical happening, maybe pushing her or throwing an object. All just a guess though.
S_W_Legend believes the police showed up and made an arrest with absolute zero proof of an assault. If that were the case, the man would have had a nice lawsuit against the police department on his hands.
domestic abuse accusations do warrant arrest. I'm not uncomfortable with that at all, because it saves lives. pretty sure the point of putting the accused in jail (not prison) is for the safety of the abusee. give them time to change the locks, or pack up and gtfo. it saves many children's lives as well
To be balanced, false accusations do get made lives do get ruined. When accusations occur without corroborative evidence the Police as Bas says do try and ensure that a male partner (because sadly male partners are the ones who sometimes murder their partners/whole families) is removed from the scene and probablt given a restraining order. Whenever it is only two people present when an accusations about a crime, be it rape, assault etc. It can easily be a false report from spite. These things happen and can lead to tragedy. We only have one side of this, the only people who really know what happened are the two present and one is now dead. Any death over something like this is sad. It is what it is.