Andrew Tate: Rightist hero arrested on sex trafficing charges

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im not gonna do an Eninn and give you pages long lecture on the life of Muhammad or the basic message of the Quran.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

You made the claim. Its for you to back it up. Preferably with actual study and not googling your way straight to a hate website.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

And preferably with some sort of consistency. IOW if youre going to pretend the Bibles message is more peaceful, then you better make sure whatever accusations you make against Muhammad or the Quran has absolutely no similitude to anything in the Bible.

The Bible has rape, infanticide and murder, just the same. And before someone goes "But that's the OLD TESTAMENT!!!1!", Jesus himself said every word of the old testament is true and valid. eg Matthew 5:17

This is why people pick and choose which facets of their religion they adhere to and which they ignore. I just wish more Christians in America would focus on the love and acceptance parts of the Bible and less on the "you're going to hell, f%%%%t!" parts.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Too much Islamaphobia out there, most Muslims are good. In fact Mohummad's basic message is good in the same way Jesus's is.

Originally posted by Macklemore
So counterintuitive contradicting hippy bolllox?

Originally posted by Macklemore
I think the main difference is Muhammed spoke positively about violence and "us vs them" ie, the Byzantines and Jesus died on a cross, "forgive them for they know not what they do."

I tend to side more with Mack, here. It's disingenuous to flatten both religions to "they're basically saying the same thing and it's good." Because it's simply not true. Not all religions are the same and even when they have similarities, they don't do them equally well. Islam has not had the clash with modernity in the same way that Christianity has in the West. As awful as Christianity is, it has been forced to roll with the times (Our secular Constitution here in the USA probably has a lot to do with that). Not to mention the old testament vs new testament, certain doctrines, etc. It has simply evolved differently from Islam.

Left wing apologists for Islam love to hide the fact that there is tons of violent and barbaric bullsh!t in the holy writings, which is of course annoying. Because the dogmatic belief in these divine words is definitely the reason the 7th century barbarism is continuing today like subjugation of women, murdering homosexuals and apostates, etc. And you better not point it out or you're an "Islamophobe." *rolls eyes* Of course most Muslims aren't going to murder apostates and homosexuals, but some subset of Muslims always will because of the dogmatic grasping of the writings...

"No matter where one lives, leaving Islam carries an onerous price. Religious authorities and their most fervent devotees respond too often with violence to criticism of any kind. Blasphemers, apostates, and freethinkers are socially exiled and hunted down by governments and vigilantes alike, all in service of an ideology that rejects science, relegates women to second-class status, and demands unquestioning submission.

For those of us who value freedom of conscience and expression, this is unacceptable. We at EXMNA strive for a world where all are free to speak freely, live freely, and pursue the truth irrespective of any authority or dogma."

- Ex-Muslims of North America

^ It's almost as if such an organization wouldn't be necessary if Islam was as peaceful as it claims to be!

And it's probably true that Right-wing extremist terrorism poses a much larger threat in the US than Muslim extremist terrorism, but that doesn't mean we should ignore Muslim extremism. They both exist. Both are bad.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Bible has rape, infanticide and murder, just the same. And before someone goes "But that's the OLD TESTAMENT!!!1!", Jesus himself said every word of the old testament is true and valid. eg Matthew 5:17

All the more reason why Christian Nationalists pose a major threat to our country.

Maybe they would if they abandoned the atheists infesting the Republican party.

You can't reason with heathans, all they understand is the sword of truth.

Me and PL are not denying the reality of peaceful muslims because we know they exist.

We also know scumbags in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, I mean, shiiiiiit, you could look at every Islam dominated nation and think "those are some bad people."

Saying, "well, Jesus was a cumt too," isn't much of a fukking argument.

Originally posted by Mendax
Look if Tate actually did the trafficking/raping he's accused of, then he deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life.

But my question is, if there isn't actually any evidence that he was trafficking/raping, how can the prosecution use his online rants to charge him with anything? He could easily go the "comedic satire" route with that stuff couldn't he?

According to an Associated Press story on Harvey Weinstein, You don't even need evidence. Just a convincing story.

https://apnews.com/article/harvey-weinstein-jury-los-angeles-rape-trial-72ad51203d13f4051b53bc468303086d

“I thought Jane Doe 1 was very convincing in her story,” said one juror, a 62-year-old man who works in banking and only provided his first name, Michael, because he sought to maintain privacy amid the publicity surrounding the case.

The physical and technical evidence surrounding Jane Doe 1 was some of the thinnest at the trial, but jurors were told that under the law, if they found an accuser’s story credible, that alone could be enough to convict.

There it is in black and white. You don't need evidence to convict.

Intentionally posted the AP article, so the usual suspects can't dismiss it as a right wing hoax or Russian propaganda or something.

Originally posted by cdtm
You don't even need evidence. Just a convincing story.

Originally posted by cdtm
You don't even need evidence. Just a convincing story.

Originally posted by Jaden_3.0

Is the Bible really a convincing story, though?

Originally posted by Macklemore
Me and PL are not denying the reality of peaceful muslims because we know they exist.

We also know scumbags in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, I mean, shiiiiiit, you could look at every Islam dominated nation and think "those are some bad people."

Hey, man. I don't know ANYBODY from any of those countries. Don't put words in my mouth!

(Although I did go to college for a while with a Muslim Pakistani girl.)

Originally posted by Macklemore

Do you want me to quote verses?

You did that once before from a hate website. I told you then it was all completely out of context, plus the way they worded the verses was really weird.

Suffice to say there are plenty of verses that put things into clear context which hate websites conveniently ignore.

But in terms of Jesus forgave whilst Muhammad loved hate/war, Ill just leave you with this for now on Muhammad:

https://islamonline.net/en/outstanding-forgiveness-of-the-prophet/

FYI dont expect me to hate on Jesus to defend Muhammad given Jesus is also a Muslim Prophet!

Originally posted by Macklemore
Me and PL are not denying the reality of peaceful muslims because we know they exist.

We also know scumbags in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, I mean, shiiiiiit, you could look at every Islam dominated nation and think "those are some bad people."

Saying, "well, Jesus was a cumt too," isn't much of a fukking argument.

But then youre judging Muslims as people, and not Islam.

How many of these c***ts are actually Religous anyway? Saddam wasnt and ruled pretty much as a secular dictator. Iran regime is Shia who are generally a bit crazier, but they had good governments in the past who were overthrown by the West. Saddam was also propped by the West. And in both cases the people of those countries hate their governments, so which Muslims are you judging here ?

Taliban? Sure. Theyre religous (in the most mysoginistic way possible). But they might actually be the best of a bad bunch. Because take the Religous ones out over there and youre still left with Pedo/Rapist war lords.

And Saudi Royals are defo not religous lol

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You did that once before from a hate website. I told you then it was all completely out of context, plus the way they worded the verses was really weird.

Suffice to say there are plenty of verses that put things into clear context which hate websites conveniently ignore.

Lol, it gets really old hearing this tired excuse of the violent passages being "taken out of context."

You know what's really "out of context"? Muslim holy books from the 7th century for us in the 21st century.

I bet it's okay to take the nice, pretty passages from the Bible or Koran out of context and relate them to our lives today, right?

Lol: 77 "Good" Passages vs. 546 "Violent and Cruel" Passages. Nice ratio. Maybe it's not an exhaustive list, perhaps? But it still says a lot.

We shouldn't be needing to debate its significance for us here and now. It's horseshit. End of discussion.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But then youre judging Muslims as people, and not Islam.

How many of these c***ts are actually Religous anyway? Saddam wasnt and ruled pretty much as a secular dictator. Iran regime is Shia who are generally a bit crazier, but they had good governments in the past who were overthrown by the West. Saddam was also propped by the West. And in both cases the people of those countries hate their governments, so which Muslims are you judging here ?

Taliban? Sure. Theyre religous (in the most mysoginistic way possible). But they might actually be the best of a bad bunch. Because take the Religous ones out over there and youre still left with Pedo/Rapist war lords.

And Saudi Royals are defo not religous lol

Better then U.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Is the Bible really a convincing story, though?

Seems to have convinced plenty folk well enough.

i like fighting when i have to and banging chicks is cool, but this guy is just not the role model he thinks he is.

He's a conman (and likely criminal) who has amassed a following of idiots.

He's even mocked his own followers, saying what he sells is a scam.

total douche

Andrew Tate has detention extended for third time

Controversial influencer Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan have had their custody in Romania extended for a third time, and will remain in detention until at least the end of March.

The pair were arrested in December on suspicion of human trafficking, rape and forming an organised crime group. -snip

Wish the Romanian prosecutors would begin already.