Originally posted by cdtm
As a Catholic, it's hard not to see this;..and point out no Catholic organization caused a similar thing.
Which you'll of course try and spin as my dumping on Muslims, instead of pointing out Catholics as a group are unfairly stigmatized as Nazi's.
I also fully believe even one community of majority Muslims does not speak for all Islam, or those who follow it.
I was born and raised catholic. You're wrong.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was born and raised catholic. You're wrong.
About Catholics being a whipping boy? Come ON.
Put it this way, everyone says you don't broad brush Muslims or Jews for the acts of however many Muslims or Jews. You simply do NOT criticise those entire groups. Deny this and be called a liar.
That standard doesn't apply to us. Catholics as an entire organized religion are picked apart ALL.THE.TIME.
And we're just suppose to accept it, and not even try and defend our religion. We're expected to keep out of it.
Bull.shift.
Wow, found this illuminating article recently;
Annotation
Alienation, rather than unemployment or shortcomings in the criminal justice system, is the cause of crime.
Abstract
Crime is not increasing; it is only being reported more frequently. The National Council on Crime and Delinquency reported recently that, except for murder, there has been very little increase in serious crime in America over the past decade. Police and prisons are not an effective means of suppressing crime in this country. From 1972 to 1980, while nonmurderous crime remained relatively stable, the prison population rose by 60 percent. Sending muggers or killers to jail did not reduce those crimes. Jobs are not the answer to reducing crime. Crime rose during the prosperous 1960's, but not in times of high unemployment during the Great Depression or the minidepressions of the past decade. Criminologists have begun to see alienation and lack of hope for whole groups and classes of people as the causes of crime. When the poor see the rich getting richer and their own social possibilities blocked, they develop frustration and rage at a life in which the future has no meaning. Any attempt at solving the problem of criminal violence must consider this rage and alienation, as all successful crime prevention programs have done.
This is straight from the horses mouth, the US Government. And it seems to have formed our soft on crime policies now.
The CHAZ zones being one example. This only proves they are at a loss.
Think about the assumption that alienation is the problem. How does that explain alienated people like Native Americans having low violent crime rates? What does it even take to stop this "alienation?" A perfect statistical mix of all ethnicities, genders, and races in positions of power?
What if they're WRONG? Will Smith has tons of power and slaps Chris Rock, was he motivated by alienation?
What a load.
Originally posted by cdtmAre you denying that innocent Muslim-Americans experienced violent prejudice after 9/11 because they were broadbrushed? Hell, an unaffiliated, random Sikh wearing a turban mistaken for being Muslim was murdered.
About Catholics being a whipping boy? Come ON.Put it this way, everyone says you don't broad brush Muslims or Jews for the acts of however many Muslims or Jews. You simply do NOT criticise those entire groups. Deny this and be called a liar.
That standard doesn't apply to us. Catholics as an entire organized religion are picked apart ALL.THE.TIME.
And we're just suppose to accept it, and not even try and defend our religion. We're expected to keep out of it.
Bull.shift.
How many innocent Catholics have been prejudiced or murdered in the United States after the Catholic Church's systemic pedophilia was revealed? How many unaffiliated random Jewish rabbis were murdered in hate crimes because people confused them for being Catholic?
Are you denying that Muslims from countries experienced sweeping bans from entry by Executive Orders because they were broadbrushed?
How many Catholics have been banned from entry into America, after their systemic pedophilia was revealed?
Your indignant, self-inflated feeling of prejudice is nothing more than absent-minded white privilege at its worst best... and it's pure, undiluted white supremacy at it's worst. Stop peddling the asinine narrative that white Catholics are more oppressed than minorities in America, let alone throughout the world.
Are you for real? Anti-Catholicism goes all the way back to the 16th century, and has existed through the ages of the US. If this is the ground you intend to die on, you should really do your research first.
But I never even wanted a pissing contest of "whataboutism" in the sense of justifying prejudice against one group while minimizing it against another. Which is literally all you are doing here.
Originally posted by cdtmBecause anti-Catholicism doesn't exist? Or anti-Semitism? Who said it doesn't?
Are you for real? Anti-Catholicism goes all the way back to the 16th century
Prejudice and bigotry exist. Don't distort the course of our conversation and accuse me of acting like it doesn't.
Originally posted by cdtmThe sheer phucking irony.
But I never even wanted a pissing contest of "whataboutism" in the sense of justifying prejudice against one group while minimizing it against another.
No, the course of conversation is you whining and wailing about how white Catholics in America or the world don't get a fairer shake than other minorities.
Originally posted by cdtmSo according to you, no Catholic organization caused a similar thing like these Muslims by banning LGBTQ pride flags.
As a Catholic, it's hard not to see this;..and point out no Catholic organization caused a similar thing.
York Catholic school board votes against flying Pride flag at education centre
Irish parish removes LGBT 'Pride' flag after archdiocese intervenes
Bishop says school flying BLM, LGBTQ flags can no longer call itself Catholic
Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God 'can't bless sin'
Vatican to Israel: Ban gay parade
Catholic school board votes against flying the pride flag
Catholic group launches 'Hide the Pride' anti-LGBTQ library campaign
Be celibate or leave the priesthood, pope tells gay priests
It takes a special type of fatuous moron to suggest what you just did. It goes beyond simple ignorance or self-delusion. I would guess that it is sourced in acceptance of pointed indoctrination efforts by a hate-group. Or you could just accept this:
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was born and raised catholic. You're wrong.
Ireland has gone full ODG;
She continued, “If a person’s views on other people’s identities make their lives unsafe and insecure, and cause them such deep discomfort that they cannot live in peace, our job as legislators is to restrict those freedoms for the common good.”“One cannot do and say whatever one likes in our society, which is a society governed by laws,” she added. “This is very fundamental to a legislative system. It should be one of the very fundamentals for any legislators who sit in this Chamber that they understand what we do is restrict freedoms.”
LGBTQ is a mental illness and a trans woman is a mutilated man.
Thank goodness I live in a country where I can say these things and more.
“Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about politicians. Everybody complains about politicians…Well where do you think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses, American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish ignorant citizens, you’re going to have selfish, ignorant leaders.”[/ b]
Nice theory.
What George Carlin doesn't get is your average person is far more ethical then your average politician. The fact is politicians AREN'T from the same systems as the average person. They're usually from two sources;
1. Upper class privilege. Your so-called Limousine-Liberals come from there.
2. Poverty, which makes them susceptible to organized crime like tactics.
Basically no middle class person can afford to run without the backing of the filthy rich, and thus the most corrupt of us. And he who pays the bills makes the rules.
Take the money out of politics and clean of corruption, and watch the quality of leadership improve [b]dramatically.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Suddenly it makes a lot of sense how Cdtm and Whirly are best buddies these days...
Like nobody but pedos question age of consent laws.
Legally yeah the difference between a day makes you a sex offender, ethically you have to be a real statist to argue a day before turning 18 makes you as bad as Silk Road traffickers, while a day later at 18 is perfectly ethical.
Originally posted by cdtm^ arguing against the most extreme version of a position, in order to make every version of the position sound extreme.
Like nobody but pedos question age of consent laws.Legally yeah the difference between a day makes you a sex offender, ethically you have to be a real statist to argue a day before turning 18 makes you as bad as Silk Road traffickers, while a day later at 18 is perfectly ethical.
Yeah, what Stilt said.
Originally posted by Smurph
^ arguing against the most extreme version of a position, in order to make every version of the position sound extreme.Yeah, what Stilt said.
But the Seinfeld example GDP is on about happens to be that extreme example. Tbe girl was 17, they didn't actually start dating until she hit 18 meaning he likely wasn't just waiting around an entire year or anything close to it.
If he said even if they met when she was 18 and he was 40 whatever that ir would be creepy and something he isn't ok with but the law is the law, I could respect that. The way he talked implied it was all about her being 17 though.
Like does anyone not know girls who did fake ID's growing up? One of my class mates dated a 40 something, Sophmore or Junion in high school, so do the math. And.he knew her age, no fake ID there. Everybody knew about it, nobody acted like it was weird.
Of course in retrospect the guy probably was a total creep because she did split up and date an age appropriate guy soon after.
What's up with ODG calling people POS's lately?
Smurph, you're a litigator, in your professional opinion did Astner really say anything in their argument that warranted being called names? Because to me it looked like he was arguing like a Libertarian.
Unless he thinks all Libertarians are POS, I dunno.
the US medical system kills people. Most insurances won't even cover cancer screenings unless you qualify (Breast cancer exams, colonoscopies), and they are gated by age. Meaning if you get them earlier, sucks to be you.
Lung cancer, pancreas cancer, stomach cancer, most won't get those diagnoses until they start dropping weight, and by then it's in late stages.
We could easily screen everyone for everything if we wanted to. But we don't want to. We want to bleed people dry of their life savings instead.
It's compete BULLSHIT
Originally posted by ODG
This sort of post strikes me as reportable.I suppose -Pr- can let me know otherwise.
Have him ban South Park and Dave Chappelle clips.
And Michigan.
Good luck in your crusade to force acceptance of leftist values, it worked for Stalin.