Originally posted by Robtard
Dunno man, Iron Man did throw everything at Thanos and from a pure durability standpoint, all that happened was a minor cut on Thanos' face.I know IM has the newer suit for this, just not sure it's amped to the point it will make much of a difference considering Thanos' durability.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's tricky to answer. I think it's fairly clear that from a pure physical standpoint, Thanos should be stronger and tougher than Thor. But at the same time, Thanos doesn't quite have the same durability feats as Thor.I'd put him above Thor in durability but not by much, and that's just me guessing based on implied power levels. I do know that Thanos can still get hurt. He was hurt by Thor's and Cap's lightning, he was feeling Carol's punches, IM got him to bleed, and he was also hurt by Wanda slowly crushing him, and Wanda hadn't yet unlocked her Scarlet Witch power up at that point.
So while I don't think IM has anything that can oneshot Thanos even with a direct hit, I also don't think Thanos can withstand a continuous assault from IM's firepower.
Fair enough assessment again and I didn't mean to imply that Thanos could jus stand still, get blasted endlessly and not notice.
But if he's above Thor, even just a bit,, and I think it's a fair assessment considering implied power levels and what we've seen, then IM is literally going to have to continuously unload and get direct hit after direct hit to even begin to wear Thanos down.
Also depends where this fight takes place, Thanos could use thrown objects offensively and the environment to force the duo into closer range.
Originally posted by h1a8
A plain kick cause Thanos to bleed. The beam, laser, uni beam, and sword would be worse damage.
"Cause Thanos to bleed", it was little more than a papercut-like cut and look what Tony had to do to achieve that. No one has argued that Thanos is invulnerable.
While Thanos took punches directly to the face from a butt-mad Hulk and there was zero damage shown. Carol Danvers too. The cut almost seemed a fluke, considering the other showings.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough assessment again and I didn't mean to imply that Thanos could jus stand still, get blasted endlessly and not notice.But if he's above Thor, even just a bit,, and I think it's a fair assessment considering implied power levels and what we've seen, then IM is literally going to have to continuously unload and get direct hit after direct hit to even begin to wear Thanos down.
Also depends where this fight takes place, Thanos could use thrown objects offensively and the environment to force the duo into closer range.
Yes, me saying IM can solo is based on the assumption that Stark will use that supposed genius IQ of his to fly outside of Thanos' range and bombard him with everything he's got without ever trying to get close.
If Thanos is able to get close to him then he'll get torn apart.
Originally posted by h1a8
Tony cut Thanos face with a mere kick. Plus writer's intent that blasts will damage Thanos.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Thanos took a lot of punishment on Titan not just a mere kick.
Which writer's intent?
Thanos took the combined blasts from Carol,pepper (I've forgotten who else) in endgame with no damage.
A dying Thanos took carol's blasts easily without even a scratch.
If this was Thor's lightening, then with a very prolonged continuous blast, I can possibly see it doing some damage. After all it was starting to fry Gorr when Thor sustained the blast.
Tony does not have that kind of damage output. And we know Tony, he will definitely get in close for that "mere kick" and end up shredded.
Thanos had armor on (he doesn't here) and he sighed in pain while being blasted. Thanos definitely felt pain on those blasts. A long prolong blast could do a lot of damage.
My point is that if a mere kick can cause an abrasion then certainly those swords can slice through him. Neck or throat and it's over.
Also the unibeam and lasers are more powerful.
Remember it's two of them here. Thanos can't attack both at the same time. The moment he attacks one the other will stab him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos had armor on (he doesn't here) and he sighed in pain while being blasted. Thanos definitely felt pain on those blasts. A long prolong blast could do a lot of damage.My point is that if a mere kick can cause an abrasion then certainly those swords can slice through him. Neck or throat and it's over.
Also the unibeam and lasers are more powerful.Remember it's two of them here. Thanos can't attack both at the same time. The moment he attacks one the other will stab him.
Your point is wrong then. Thanos took a lot of punishment on Titan not just a kick, even punches, blasts, spaceship jammed into him etc.
Thanos is faster than both, he will tear them apart easy. Their blasts don't have more damage output than Carol's blasts which Thanos took easily without a scratch.
He has also proven he's skilled enough to taken on multiple opponents (at or greater than Ironmans level) at once.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Cause Thanos to bleed", it was little more than a papercut-like cut and look what Tony had to do to achieve that. No one has argued that Thanos is invulnerable.While Thanos took punches directly to the face from a butt-mad Hulk and there was zero damage shown. Carol Danvers too. The cut almost seemed a fluke, considering the other showings.
Carol gave him a couple bruises if you look carefully!
Originally posted by 9jaboy
You're inaccurate , dying Thanos didn't have Armor, He didn't have Armor on Titan as well.Your point is wrong then. Thanos took a lot of punishment on Titan not just a kick, even punches, blasts, spaceship jammed into him etc.
Thanos is faster than both, he will tear them apart easy. Their blasts don't have more damage output than Carol's blasts which Thanos took easily without a scratch.
He has also proven he's skilled enough to taken on multiple opponents (at or greater than Ironmans level) at once.
On Titan Thanos blocked every beam.
Sure he got hit a few times (concussive force) and faired well.
But I'm not arguing concussive force here (which will do little).
I'm arguing both cutting force and energy beam damage.
On Titan he got a electric energy type bomb stuck to him.
It hurt him, had him down for like 4 seconds.
He grabbed Strange's sword from the blunt side (one hell of a skilled feat). This implies that the sword cut do some significant damage.
He blocked IM beams. He didn't get hit with any beams.
In endgame, he blocked Carol's beam with the gauntlet (writer's intent there). He blocked IM beam with the sword. He blocked I'M beams with the spinning blade (writer's intent there).
He got hurt by Wasp, Pepper's, and Shuri's beam. Plus he had armor on.
You literally have no argument against the beams not damaging Thanos over time. And the swords will cut through him.
Originally posted by h1a8
On Titan Thanos blocked every beam.
Sure he got hit a few times (concussive force) and faired well.
But I'm not arguing concussive force here (which will do little).
I'm arguing both cutting force and energy beam damage.On Titan he got a electric energy type bomb stuck to him.
It hurt him, had him down for like 4 seconds.
He grabbed Strange's sword from the blunt side (one hell of a skilled feat). This implies that the sword cut do some significant damage.
He blocked IM beams. He didn't get hit with any beams.In endgame, he blocked Carol's beam with the gauntlet (writer's intent there). He blocked IM beam with the sword. He blocked I'M beams with the spinning blade (writer's intent there).
He got hurt by Wasp, Pepper's, and Shuri's beam. Plus he had armor on.You literally have no argument against the beams not damaging Thanos over time. And the swords will cut through him.
Thanos is not faster than either. They are significantly faster than Thanos.
He's not tearing them apart. He lacks the strength. He can damage their armor though. The face armor seems to be the weakest part.
Tony blocked his haymakers easily with his forearm armor (with little damage)
Originally posted by h1a8
On Titan Thanos blocked every beam.
Sure he got hit a few times (concussive force) and faired well.
But I'm not arguing concussive force here (which will do little).
I'm arguing both cutting force and energy beam damage.On Titan he got a electric energy type bomb stuck to him.
It hurt him, had him down for like 4 seconds.
He grabbed Strange's sword from the blunt side (one hell of a skilled feat). This implies that the sword cut do some significant damage.
He blocked IM beams. He didn't get hit with any beams.In endgame, he blocked Carol's beam with the gauntlet (writer's intent there). He blocked IM beam with the sword. He blocked I'M beams with the spinning blade (writer's intent there).
He got hurt by Wasp, Pepper's, and Shuri's beam. Plus he had armor on.You literally have no argument against the beams not damaging Thanos over time. And the swords will cut through him.
Wasps, pepper, and shuri's beam just pushed him . He definitely wasn't hurt.
Prove the beams will damage Thanos then?
Thor's lightening made Thanos grunt but I didn't see any damage. Thor's lightening is far more powerful than Ironman's beams for sure.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Carol gave him a couple bruises if you look carefully!
Honestly don't recall the bruises, but going with that as being true, considering Carol's super-duper-uber power levels, it's still points to a vastly high level of durability and the tiny cut on the cheek from IM being more of an outlier.
If it takes someone like Carol to bruise Thanos as a baseline, then IM and Pepper will have an even harder time seriously harming him with their arsenal.
Originally posted by 9jaboyI didn't move the goalposts. My argument is about cutting and energy blasts, not concussive force.
I don't like the way you move goal posts. You said a mere kick gave him a bleed,. To which I answered that he took a lot of punishment on Titan.
Then you said he had armor on,. And I proved he didn't on Titan.
And then you just went ahead to list the punishments he took on Titan. What are you arguing man?Wasps, pepper, and shuri's beam just pushed him . He definitely wasn't hurt.
Prove the beams will damage Thanos then?
Thor's lightening made Thanos grunt but I didn't see any damage. Thor's lightening is far more powerful than Ironman's beams for sure.
In endgame, Thanos blocked every single blast except for two moments.One moment he was hurt (as in his sighing out) and in another moment the blast struck his chest armor (I can post a picture of you like).
And the fact that Thanos had to block Tony's beam proves that, in the writer's mind, it would damage him.
If the writer didn't believe that then he wouldn't have had Thanos block it but rather tank it.
Also Thor's lightning varied in power tremendously from scene to scene and movie to movie. You can't equate them all. I would say Tony's beam is stronger than Thor's weaker lightning (lightning that comes out of the hammer) but weaker than his best lightning (from the sky as a huge ass bolt lasting several seconds).
Now the first blast isn't going to put Thanos down. It might take awhile (possibly 10 minutes or so). But Thanos will eventually fall.
They can speed up the process by using the laser, uni beam, and sword.
Thanos grunted in pain on the 3 women combined beams. Plus he was wearing armor.
Basically your argument is that Thanos would be immune to all blasts (prolonged blasts, lasers, and uni beams) solely based off Thanos grunting on one of Thor's weaker blasts.
Originally posted by RobtardWhy would it be an outlier? Why can't Tony be that powerful? After all, it was a new suit (so you can't compare to his other suits).
Honestly don't recall the bruises, but going with that as being true, considering Carol's super-duper-uber power levels, it's still points to a vastly high level of durability and the tiny cut on the cheek from IM being more of an outlier.If it takes someone like Carol to bruise Thanos as a baseline, then IM and Pepper will have an even harder time seriously harming him with their arsenal.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why would it be an outlier? Why can't Tony be that powerful? After all, it was a new suit (so you can't compare to his other suits).
Because of everything else Thanos has taken without physical injury or serious physical injury. eg If it takes Carol D's powerlevel to give Thanos a bruise and Thor with Stormbringer to seriosuly harm/kill Thanos, then Tony's going to have trouble matching that, let alone surpassing. Because Carol D and Thor >>>>>> Ironman
I also don't think Tony's upgrades would make his armor go from causing paper-cut to killing Thanos in one or two generations. His upgrades would just delay the inevitable, Thanos landing a solid hit or grabbing them.