Originally posted by carver9
Abhi, we agree that Doomsday speed is less than Shadow Dragon? Superman couldn't even touch SD and admitted he had to up his speed and STILL couldn't touch him. SD >>>> Doomsday? Let's start there first.
Doomsday might rip him in half by accident.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules literally needed band-aids from a sabretooth tiger's scratch lol.Doomsday might rip him in half by accident.
And I know it was Thor, not Hercules, but Thor cut himself shaving.
https://i.imgur.io/2210Ap7_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Their durability being so similar, not looking good for Hercules. Ironically I see Colossus taking that better.
Originally posted by Juntai
Stupid argument. Superman guages what he thinks his opponents can handle so not to overdue it. He missed shadow dragon, then 'doubled his speed' and missed again. Nothing to suggest he was ever maxing out past his limit, especially considering Shadow Dragon wasn't about to beat him to 'death' and potential destroy the planet.We can see this with consistency in Superman. In his fight against Black Adam, he was steadily increasing the power of his shots as he was moving civilians out of harms way.
Or at other times, calculating melting points mid fight.
Or a thousand other examples of him increasing as fights go on.
Superman has to balance operating at .000000000001% of his power while on Earth alongside with using enough energy to stop bad guys, so as not to blow the planet to pieces. Which we know he can do while dying, with no stars, and so weak he can't even fly, just by trying to jump.
It's not that Superman wasn't fast enough to handle Shadow Dragon. it's that he underestimated him.
The same is not true for Doomsday.
So you're saying Superman wanted to punch Shadow Dragon but at the same time, he double his speed because he didn't want to grab/punch SD? I learn something new every day (how you tend to make excuses for everything).
Anyways, we get a reading on Doomsdays speed by the end of DOS...
Let me guess, Doomsday was holding back his speed so that he doesn't damage Earth and hurt the humans around him?
Originally posted by Juntai
While we're on the topic of enhanced super soldier characters like Shadow Dragon, lets talk about Hulk catching a one sided ass whooping by Captain America with no plot bullshit to try to explain it.I guess that's just how high we should consider his durability, right?
Hulk isn't in this thread. Stay in topic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules literally needed band-aids from a sabretooth tiger's scratch lol.Doomsday might rip him in half by accident.
Both Ka-Zar and Zabu are enhanced. Thanks to Place of Mists. As you reminded us years ago 😛
Doomsday failed to kill shieldless Booster Gold with his punches... and resorted to knocking him out with a car door, something his fists were clearly incapable of.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Both Ka-Zar and Zabu are enhanced. Thanks to Place of Mists. As you reminded us years ago 😛Doomsday failed to kill shieldless Booster Gold with his punches... and resorted to knocking him out with a car door, something his fists were clearly incapable of.
Comics, my Polish troll.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Both Ka-Zar and Zabu are enhanced. Thanks to Place of Mists. As you reminded us years ago 😛Doomsday failed to kill shieldless Booster Gold with his punches... and resorted to knocking him out with a car door, something his fists were clearly incapable of.
Originally posted by carver9No, you’re trying to conflate Superman -not- using high end super speed to Superman pushing his speed to highs to keep up with Doomsday.
So you're saying Superman wanted to punch Shadow Dragon but at the same time, he double his speed because he didn't want to grab/punch SD? I learn something new every day (how you tend to make excuses for everything).Anyways, we get a reading on Doomsdays speed by the end of DOS...
Let me guess, Doomsday was holding back his speed so that he doesn't damage Earth and hurt the humans around him?
It’s a completely awful argument.
Originally posted by carver9
So he wasn't trying to hit Shadow Dragon? Gotcha. Never thought of Supes as a compulsive liar. Also, we literally get a speed quoted on Doomsday during DOS, and yes, lol, he wasn't holding back his speed.
Your response means either you're lying or a complete idiot.
While both can apply, which uis it, my fearful one?
Originally posted by carver9
So Superman wasn't trying to hit Shadow Dragon?
You're either not comprehending the differences in the scenes or are wilfully and dishonestly twisting it because your argument is trash. Just like your excuses for not doing the BZ you agreed to and backed down from.....twice.
Hey, since I brought it up and you're replying, are we going to have our BZ or will you continue to make excuses to run away?
Originally posted by carver9Being surprised that someone is faster than you expected and struggling to keep up speed with someone who’s beating you to death is two different things.
So he wasn't trying to hit Shadow Dragon? Gotcha. Never thought of Supes as a compulsive liar. Also, we literally get a speed quoted on Doomsday during DOS, and yes, lol, he wasn't holding back his speed.
Just as jumping speed because he wanted to get to Metropolis to find what he saw on TV =\= combat reaction speed.
Also completely ignores that he was getting stronger and faster throughout the story, it’s written in the book on damn near every other page.
Do you think Supermans max speed was half the speed of sound sound this time? Is that why you think Superman and Doomsday from this time period aren’t impressive?
Because Superman was already flying around the universe in story arcs before this one. Exile was in 89, years before DOS.
Even after being depowered in 85 Superman was already a proven light speed character by 1988, even before that— Action comics 622
And had defeated and in some cases one shot characters who could move stars and planets, sometimes more than one at a time.
And the gods already considered him a peer just 3 issues into the Man Of Steel reboot.
Not bad for what’s considered the canonically weakest version Superman.
