Meanwhile in Doomsday’s history thousands of years before he even landed on Earth he already had scared Darkseid off a planet and all the Guardians of the Universe fled from him as well, one had to sacrifice himself and tear a hole in space just to BFR him so the others could escape.
You know how powerful you have to be that Darkseid and all the Guardians are scared of you?
Supes stood his ground and put him down.
Originally posted by Juntai
Then we take those facts, and keep in mind Superman cut loose with a level of power he had never tried to do before against Doomsday. It was his first time touching a glimpse of his potential.
A level of power he had never tried? Where did you get that from?. He admits he nearly fell unconscious...
He was exhausted...
Even the narrator call both of them weary boxers. BOTH!!!
What does weary mean you ask? "Feeling or showing of tiredness, especially as a result of excessive exertion or lack of sleep".
BOTH, Superman and Doomsday was tired and exhausted. Superman wore him down and he was wore down as well, to the point that it caused him his death. So we have a nearly unconscious, exhausted, weary, and tired Superman and Doomsday fighting to the death. At one point, he was struggling to fly. He admits his legs felt like jelly. Same thing happened with Doomsday. So if a near unconscious Superman is more powerful than a fresh Superman, that just tells us a lot about DC.
Are you just trying to get dogwalked post after post?
Yes, it was only Superman's last ditch all out attacks that finally weakened Doomsday, nothing before that did -- Superman surging with energy, tapped into reserves of power he'd never tapped before, and used blows he had never dared use on a living being:
They are still the sum of who they are. The impressive feat in that book was stopping the unstoppable Doomsday. Supes and Doomsday and the JLA and everyone else wasn’t suddenly less powerful for a couple issues.
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Superman was still a proven ftl and stronger than Hulk and all his other abilities.
He doesn’t need to reprove how fast and strong he is every issue with some random fear that’s going to detract from the story.
The reader already understands how powerful Superman is.
DOS was even still the same writers as most of the issues and stories I mentioned for those feats previously. Stern and/or Jergens.
Originally posted by carver9So shaking Metropolis to its foundation (buildings collapse, etc) as a side effect of punching someone is a low showing for Colossus? Just for shots and giggles, guess how much force it takes for one to strike something (indestructible) and just shatter 1 skyscraper window hundreds of feet away?
DOS Superman, the entire run is full of nothing but low showings. If we go by the power levels in that book, a high end Colossus merks.
Jumping 50 miles at a time is a low showing? That's more than 15 times stronger than Savage Hulk's average leap. Moving faster than flash is a low showing for Colossus? Collapsing an entire bridge (that weighs tens of thousands of tons) with a backhand strike from left hand is a low showing?
Originally posted by carver9
A level of power he had never tried? Where did you get that from?. He admits he nearly fell unconscious...He was exhausted...
Even the narrator call both of them weary boxers. BOTH!!!
What does weary mean you ask? "Feeling or showing of tiredness, especially as a result of excessive exertion or lack of sleep".
BOTH, Superman and Doomsday was tired and exhausted. Superman wore him down and he was wore down as well, to the point that it caused him his death. So we have a nearly unconscious, exhausted, weary, and tired Superman and Doomsday fighting to the death. At one point, he was struggling to fly. He admits his legs felt like jelly. Same thing happened with Doomsday. So if a near unconscious Superman is more powerful than a fresh Superman, that just tells us a lot about DC.
You'll never admit it because you refuse to concede you're wrong, but it was Superman's dynamic powers. An exhausted and injured Superman went from hurting his fists on Doomsday to beating him to death. And yes, Doomsday got stronger, you're pulling Doomsday being exhausted out of your ass.
You have already been proven wrong on Superman's dynamic powers but refuse to admit it, because you're a dishonest hypocrite.
Originally posted by h1a8
So shaking Metropolis to its foundation (buildings collapse, etc) as a side effect of punching someone is a low showing for Colossus? Just for shots and giggles, guess how much force it takes for one to strike something (indestructible) and just shatter 1 skyscraper window hundreds of feet away?
Here's a hunt: It's well more than a thousand tons of force (just 1 window mind you). Colossus at best can only lift a few hundred tons.Jumping 50 miles at a time is a low showing? That's more than 15 times stronger than Savage Hulk's average leap. Moving faster than flash is a low showing for Colossus? Collapsing an entire bridge (that weighs tens of thousands of tons) with a backhand strike from left hand is a low showing?
The actual fts you've named is lame AF, and shaking Metropolis happened outside of DOS. Looking primarily at everything that happened within DOS, the comic, these characters were operating at best, high meta to low Herald.
Originally posted by Juntai
Are you just trying to get dogwalked post after post?Yes, it was only Superman's last ditch all out attacks that finally weakened Doomsday, nothing before that did -- Superman surging with energy, tapped into reserves of power he'd never tapped before, and used blows he had never dared use on a living being:
That's NOT what the comic said. The comic explicitly mentions Doomsday and Supes being fatigued. The COMIC.
The comic explicitly mentions Superman only hurt Doomsday in the end of their fight.
https://ibb.co/RDy53s4
And in the later comics also explicitly mention Superman completely stopped holding back only at the end of their fight in his entire life. Doomsday was getting stronger before Superman entered his Super-Kryptonian mode
Originally posted by Juntai
Even in the No Limits storyline in the build up to Our Worlds at War nearly a decade later, Superman told Lois that specific time at the very end of that fight, the last moments, was the only time in his life he stopped pulling the punches.
IOW, Doomsday was getting stronger through their fight, so if Superman wanted to actually begin hurting and weakening Doomsday, his punches must be at a level that he never tried to use before (and the comics also made it very clear. That it's the first time Superman completely stopped holding back to support the Superman tried using a level of power he dared not used before)
Edit:
The original comic also actually mentioned Doomsday's getting stronger during their fight, especially when we retrospectively look at Doomsday's powerset
https://ibb.co/SxbJ3h9
Originally posted by carver9It's what is depicted in the comic.
That's NOT what the comic said. The comic explicitly mentions Doomsday and Supes being fatigued. The COMIC.
For the final blow they laid everything on the line, like many boxers or MMA fighters at the end of the final round. That description doesn't change anything.
Superman reaching deep and cutting loose with a different level of power started just a bit before that.
It started when Lois got threatened.
And the more he let go, the more he was actual hurting Doomsday.
Doomsday's first time being actually hurt was in the final pages of the comic.
He went from completely unstoppable and unharmed to beat to death in the span of a heat vision blast and 2 punches.
Superman in those few moments was stronger than he had ever been before, or as he told us in the issue a decade later, it was more than he had ever cut loose even by then.
Do you understand what you're reading when you look at comics? I have to wonder that quite frequently.
And the other comics references to this story are only corroborating what is already in the book.
Also,
The novelization is the script for the comic. It's one and the same. It has the issue numbers, and page and panel references in it. The writer of the novelization, Roger Stern, was the Senior Superman writer[the head writer of the Superman books], the writer on Action Comics, and the script writer for Death and Return of Superman series. OF THE COMIC. Look at the Death and Return of Superman Omnibus on Amazon and you'll see he's listed as the Author.
Originally posted by carver9
You're posting things AFTER the original comic. The actual scene mentions both fighters being weary. Don't know why you all praise that book when it has some of thr worst showings in Superman and Doomsday history.
What's your origin story? Crack baby? Repeatedly dropped on yiur head as an infant? Long term inbreeding? All of the above?
Originally posted by carver9
You're posting things AFTER the original comic. The actual scene mentions both fighters being weary. Don't know why you all praise that book when it has some of thr worst showings in Superman and Doomsday history.
