Originally posted by abhilegend
And increasing it's mass is not his own power?His mass was still of a star and it was literally his own ring that did it.
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It's not a power, he's flinging meteors into it's core. That's not star busting, just like if you drop a nuke on a city that doesn't make you a city buster. It's got to be done with your own energy/power.
A clear cut example is Magus ripping a star apart with its bare hands.
Solaris' mass wasn't mentioned, and it was Superman Prime doing that with his ring.
Originally posted by Test123
It's not a power, he's flinging meteors into it's core. That's not star busting, just like if you drop a nuke on a city that doesn't make you a city buster. It's got to be done with your own energy/power.
How's moving enough mass to increase a star's mass casually not his own power?
A clear cut example is Magus ripping a star apart with its bare hands.
And?
Solaris' mass wasn't mentioned, and it was Superman Prime doing that with his ring.
It was. He mentioned that after going supernova, he reverts to neutron star mass.
https://i.imgur.io/LP02vDT_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
It shows that the ring is capable of shattering stars and Kyle can do that too since it is his own ring.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How's moving enough mass to increase a star's mass casually not his own power?And?
It was. He mentioned that after going supernova, he reverts to neutron star mass.
https://i.imgur.io/LP02vDT_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
It shows that the ring is capable of shattering stars and Kyle can do that too since it is his own ring.
He's flinging meteors from a slingshot, and also causing nuclear chain reactions inside the core. If he can just crush it with his own ring why doesn't he do that instead?
Magus doesn't need to mess with the core, make it go nova and then crush the remains, he can just outright destroy it.
It's mentioned he turns into "neutron solaris" but nowhere is his mass mentioned, it's variable so it could be any mass.
Originally posted by Test123
He's flinging meteors from a slingshot, and also causing nuclear chain reactions inside the core. If he can just crush it with his own ring why doesn't he do that instead?
Because Solaris had countermeasures for that. Even a black hole couldn't destroy Solaris.
Magus doesn't need to mess with the core, make it go nova and then crush the remains, he can just outright destroy it.
And?
It's mentioned he turns into "neutron solaris" but nowhere is his mass mentioned, it's variable so it could be any mass.
He mentioned that he destroyed Khund star by turning into neutron Solaris, so his mass would be bigger than a regular star.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I just call stupid people, well stupid.😂
And what exactly do you think is this supposed to prove, my dear stupid guy?
Let's read it together:
Notice the use of the word "can." Unlike a natural star, it doesn't necessarily generate these phenomena. Now, you may argue "why wouldn't it?" And I would simply point to the comics and say "I don't know, all I know is that it didn't because if it did it would've destroyed the Earth."
DC One Million (1998) #4
In fact, we can infer something very similar from the destruction it had wrought previously. The planet was still intact.
DC One Million (1998) #2
Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted the cropped portion because you have trouble understanding words.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol, a star that goes supernova and has neutron star mass, already provided. Like I said, you have trouble reading sometimes.
Could it have been equivalent to an actual supernova? Sure! But you don't know that. Furthermore, you infer it on very shaky grounds. And the opening poster specifically asked for clear-cut feats.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, you're still stuck at its size dictating it's mass? You really are dumb.
Originally posted by abhilegend
None of that happened. Read again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, what exactly do you think this is supposed to prove?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, a "straight" up star busting feat as they say. A weaker than current era Superman destroyed the sun fighting Darkseid in Future State and killed them both.
And where exactly are you getting that they destroyed the Sun? Because Darkseid made it clear that the Sun was "buckling" due to its age.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Solaris had countermeasures for that. Even a black hole couldn't destroy Solaris.And?
He mentioned that he destroyed Khund star by turning into neutron Solaris, so his mass would be bigger than a regular star.
He had countermeasures for a core collapse, but what does that have to do with being crushed? Kyle could simply do that if it's so easy, no need to go through the procedure of a core collapse and nova.
He became Neutron solaris, but he didn't mention how exactly he defeated the khund star, or what mass he had, it's variable so we don't know unless he states it.
You have the mental maturity of a five-year old and the grammar to match.
Let's read it together:
I'd say, you're retarded but that'd be an insult to retards.
Notice the use of the word "can." Unlike a natural star, it doesn't necessarily generate these phenomena. Now, you may argue "why wouldn't it?" And I would simply point to the comics and say "I don't know, all I know is that it didn't because if it did it would've destroyed the Earth."
Hey retard, stars don't go supernova unless they have a certain mass. At least you conceded that Solaris has stellar mass which it "can generate" and in none of those scans it is mentioned that Solaris is somehow lessening it's mass to spare Earth. In fact it outright says that triggering supernova would destroy the life in entire solar system and result in neutron Solaris which previously destroyed Khund star.
https://i.imgur.io/LP02vDT_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
English motha****a, do you read it?
In fact, we can infer something very similar from the destruction it had wrought previously. The planet was still intact.
What the **** is this supposed to show? Solaris goes supernova in this scene? Why are so much retarded?
No, you're doing it because you're lying and because you don't want to get caught.
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This emphasizes the problem. Solaris is an artificial star, not a natural star, and you keep referring to it as a star. Because you want to undermine the fact that Solaris is not an natural star. Likewise, you're inferring that the "supernova" that it went through corresponds to a natural supernova, even though we're given no reason to believe this beyond the choice of the word, which may very well have been analogous rather than literal. Then you infer from the expression "I became Neutron Solaris," that Solaris had the mass of a neutron star.
Could it have been equivalent to an actual supernova? Sure! But you don't know that. Furthermore, you infer it on very shaky grounds. And the opening poster specifically asked for clear-cut feats.
Again with this nonsense? Fu©k off with your "not literal but analogus" bullshit, moron. It was repeatedly shown and confirmed that Solaris was a fully functional sun and the supernova was literal. Only you're retarded enough to question it.
No I don't. In fact I have a background in astronomy so I know it doesn't—the diameters are smaller for more massive white dwarfs and neutron stars. But it's one of the things you tried to hide, despite the opening poster specifying that he wanted this information. You decided not to provide this information because you thought it'd undermine your narrative.
Its a comic, dumbo. It can do whatever it likes, it can make an artificial star be a full sun if it wants to, because it's a ****ing comic.
This is why I don't like debating with you. You're so used to being exposed as a liar that it doesn't phase you anymore. You're just going to stonewall the argument and forget about it come the next thread. You've made it feel like it's a complete waste of time to debate you, and you thrive in that because you know you'll get the last word.
You're just stupid at this point. Why do I even bother.
Exactly what I said.
So, gibberish?
Another compilation of scans without any source referencing.
And where exactly are you getting that they destroyed the Sun? Because Darkseid made it clear that the Sun was "buckling" due to its age.
Immortal Wonder Woman 2, read it.
Uh, the star exploded while they were fighting inside it. Buckling doesn't mean it's gonna explode randomly lol.
Originally posted by Test123
He had countermeasures for a core collapse, but what does that have to do with being crushed? Kyle could simply do that if it's so easy, no need to go through the procedure of a core collapse and nova.
Because it was the only option, Wally literally computed billions of scenarios lol. Read the comic.
He became Neutron solaris, but he didn't mention how exactly he defeated the khund star, or what mass he had, it's variable so we don't know unless he states it.
He didn't defeat it, he destroyed the khund star. How else is he going to do it except rip it apart by its mass?
Are you dumb?
Sodam Yat destroys planet sized Ranx.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was the only option, Wally literally computed billions of scenarios lol. Read the comic.He didn't defeat it, he destroyed the khund star. How else is he going to do it except rip it apart by its mass?
Are you dumb?
So the only option was to cause it go supernova, essentially destroying it's core and plasma generators, and then crushing it. That would just mean they had to weaken Solaris in order to defeat him seeing as he's damaged, got smoke coming off him and malfunctioning.
He could simply blow it apart with a blast, assuming he's got enough power he doesn't have to use his mass.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sodam Yat destroys planet sized Ranx.
We've seen Ranx next to Mogo and it's smaller, is there any indication as how to large Mogo is supposed to be? Or Oa?
Originally posted by Test123
So the only option was to cause it go supernova, essentially destroying it's core and plasma generators, and then crushing it. That would just mean they had to weaken Solaris in order to defeat him seeing as he's damaged, got smoke coming off him and malfunctioning.
His mass was still neutron star level.
He could simply blow it apart with a blast, assuming he's got enough power he doesn't have to use his mass.
Not an option lol.
Originally posted by Test123
We've seen Ranx next to Mogo and it's smaller, is there any indication as how to large Mogo is supposed to be? Or Oa?
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b0r0TOTCIXc/VqCbPEZa_pI/AAAAAAAAIf0/gvw9buBFAxE/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg
Mogo is bigger than Earth in all probability as it would've torn Oa apart with it's gravity alone.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its difficult to get info on how big fictional planets and stars are. Its not commonplace for that information to be given.Either way, Surfers a planet buster at least, when he wants to be:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
👆Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus:
As for Beta Ray Bill, i had a look and the series was called Godhunter.
He didnt destroy any planets himself, in the 1st issue he used his ships armoury to destroy the planet.
Originally posted by Thinkerer
Theres some instances mentioned in this topic too.https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/marvel-2073/planet-busters-1515726/
@Test123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Any idea about the sizes of these planets?@Test123
Hard to say for Surfer, but I think in his fight with Morg there were some moons around and I've seen some people try to use that as some sort of way to determine size.
BRB on the other hand I think those planets are small, not just because of how big they look in comparison to him and the blasts, but also because I saw Oeming say they were small planets. Thor also had a similar feat where he's basically standing on the planet and you can see it's whole curvature, very small.
Originally posted by Test123
Hard to say for Surfer, but I think in his fight with Morg there were some moons around and I've seen some people try to use that as some sort of way to determine size.BRB on the other hand I think those planets are small, not just because of how big they look in comparison to him and the blasts, but also because I saw Oeming say they were small planets. Thor also had a similar feat where he's basically standing on the planet and you can see it's whole curvature, very small.
Has any marvel top tier has destroyed a confirmed Earth sized planet? At all?
