Originally posted by Galan007
Ah, okay.Yeah that could work, as Zamasu has no real TP resistance feats to speak of.
But what happens if SK's physical host is destroyed? Admittedly I got this from a quick Google search (😮), but it says that if his host is destroyed it could take months(or longer) for SK to reenter the physical plane. Is there any truth to that?
So he once possessed Cyclops and was fighting Storm. Storm killed him, he laughed and jumped into her, then was eaten by the Panther God who was hiding in Storm's mind. Then Storm gave first aid to Cyclops who came back to life.
In short - if his host is killed, he just body hops (like Deadman). Complete destruction of the host body? Not seen anything about that, but it's not like he returns to that body.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
lets take things like tp or body control out of the picture. my intent here was to see if marvel has the power to straight up overpower zamasu to take him down.
So just punching and energy blasts?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85might work if he could get close enough.
Ghost Rider (they can come back from having their entire body destroyed) using a Penance Stare?
Originally posted by Galan007the un i can understand because its erasing power seems to work just like zeno's. but has the ig ever erased a completely immortal character?
If you're just looking for someone/thing in Marvel that could perma-kill Zamasu, then It's like I said in my first post: you'd probably need the UN or IG.
Originally posted by Galan007
If you're just looking for someone/thing in Marvel that could perma-kill Zamasu, then It's like I said in my first post: you'd probably need the UN or IG.
Can he not kill himself? I'm thinking with the PS.
Granted I have zero idea if he's actually done anything bad lol, but he's a villain so I assume so.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
😂 hard to argue that.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXWell the IG essentially makes you God within your universe. So I'm assuming that level of 'authority' would be sufficient to override a wish from the Super Dragon, and kill Zamasu.
the un i can understand because its erasing power seems to work just like zeno's. but has the ig ever erased a completely immortal character?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Oh Zamasu was a complete genocidal megalomaniac. So the PS would likely effect him, but I don't know what'd happen after. /shrug
Can he not kill himself? I'm thinking with the PS.Granted I have zero idea if he's actually done anything bad lol, but he's a villain so I assume so.
That said, I doubt Zamasu would actually be able to kill himself, as he was granted true immortality by the Super Dragon -- and as far as we know, Zen-Oh's erasure was the only force in DB that was capable of perma-killing him. As I mentioned earlier, Zamasu was beyond even Beerus' ability to outright destroy.
Mindphuckery and the like would work. Some sort of esoteric containment might work as well(until Zamasu went 'ethereal-mode', at least), but those tactics seem to be off the table here.
Originally posted by Galan007but isn't zeno literally THE god in dragon ball? the ig might make you the most powerful being in the universe, but it doesn't literally make you THE god in marvel. so i'm not sure how that authority compares?
Well the IG essentially makes you God within your universe. So I'm assuming that level of 'authority' would be sufficient to override a wish from the Super Dragon, and kill Zamasu.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXNot exactly.
but isn't zeno literally THE god in dragon ball? the ig might make you the most powerful being in the universe, but it doesn't literally make you THE god in marvel. so i'm not sure how that authority compares?
You're correct in saying that within the world of DB, Zen-Oh is at the absolute top of the hierarchy:
https://ibb.co/4YTb4Jz
But he is nowhere near the level of the Supreme Being(as Marvel/DC have depicted them.) Zen-Oh is neither omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent(in the true sense.) Zen-Oh's biggest(and perhaps *only*) claim to fame is his ability to casually erase absolutely anything in the DB multiverse. That is why everyone(even Destroyers) are scared shitless of him.
However, even Zen-Oh's erasures can be undone by a wish from the Super Dragon:
https://ibb.co/jV5f8gx
https://ibb.co/w7H62Rc
And if his erasures can be undone, then his power isn't truly absolute... Which further indicates that he isn't Supreme Being-level. I like to think of Zen-Oh and the Super Dragon as opposite sides of the same coin: whatever the Dragon creates, Zen-Oh can destroy(and vice versa.)
Anyway, trying to compare manga to comics is often a futile endeavor(especially when discussing hierarchies or w/e.) Regardless, the IG generally puts its user at *the* top of the totem pole within their universe -- giving them absolute mastery over ALL aspects of reality(to the point where even the UN's energies can be manipulated with an incomplete IG.) That said, I see no reason why it wouldn't garner the same level of 'authority' that Zen-Oh wields within DB..?
...Or to put it another way: if the IG user wanted Zamasu dead, and then gestured to make it happen, I don't see that just... Bouncing off of Zamasu. If Zen-Oh was able to perma-kill him, the UN and IG should be able to as well. /shrug
From The Incredible Gulk volume 2 issue 69:
Originally posted by Galan007
If The Presence met Zen-Oh? He'd blink him out of existence.Zen-Oh is a 'multiversal' power within DB, but the DB multiverse is also limited to just 12 universes(possibly 18 universes now, IF #17's wish at the end of the ToP also brought back the other 6 universes that Zen-Oh destroyed beforehand.)
The Presence is an omniversal power, and presides over an infinite amount of infinite multiverses. He's on a much higher level.
Aside from that, Zen-Oh isn't really a "Supreme Being" in the same way The Presence/TOAA are. His powers really just seem limited to destroying shit at this point, there is evidently a different 'version' of him in every timeline, he doesn't appear to be omniscient, and his erasure can be undone by the Super Dragon.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXNo, Dragon Ball more or less consists of a linear scale of green lantern powerset dudes (I say green lantern rather than flying bricks because their physical capabilities are ludicrously below their power output; Goku in the Buu Saga literally needed to go Super Saiyan to be able to move with ten ton weights on his arms and legs, this is a guy who can destroy planets who has trouble with Spider-Man tier weights) who just scale above one another but very rarely show more versatility. Actually honestly calling them green lantern-esque isn't really accurate either: your average green lantern is considerably more versatile than most DB fighters.
but isn't zeno literally THE god in dragon ball? the ig might make you the most powerful being in the universe, but it doesn't literally make you THE god in marvel. so i'm not sure how that authority compares?
Zeno is the ultimate example of this, literally just being a dude with a presumably extremely high power level who can destroy more stuff more thoroughly than anyone else. But IIRC he actually has demonstrated less finesse or versatility with his power than the Angels who are subservient to him or even the Kais well below him. I think it's even implied that he's not really much of a fighter himself and actually has trouble following the faster fighters in-universe despite dwarfing them in power.
He'd get folded by any cosmic in Marvel who is in the same general weight class because they simply have vaster powersets than he does. And as Galan pointed out, ultimately DB is a rather small Multiverse, with just 12 (formerly 18) known universes he can destroy.