Originally posted by MrMindKinda true ngl, and most of these plebs have only watched the anime when the manga is by far the superior version of the story simply because it shows how incredibly skilled Toriyama really is as a draftsman, especially for a shonen artist. Almost no one in manga can convey time and movement the way he does.
can we make threads with more interesting anime like fate/zero or hunter x hunter? dragon ball is like the basic ***** you had a crush on in high school
Originally posted by NemeBroFor whatever reason, Toriyama seems to view lifting strength and striking strength as two completely different things.
Goku in the Buu Saga literally needed to go Super Saiyan to be able to move with ten ton weights on his arms and legs, this is a guy who can destroy planets who has trouble with Spider-Man tier weights)
On one hand, Goku evidently needed SS to lift a total of 40 tons(10 tons on each extremity.) On the other hand, he can kick you so hard into a mountain that it shatters on impact. The disparity between these two 'forms' of physical strength has never made sense to me, but that's Tori for you. /shrug
Originally posted by NemeBro👆
But IIRC he actually has demonstrated less finesse or versatility with his power than the Angels who are subservient to him or even the Kais well below him. I think it's even implied that he's not really much of a fighter himself and actually has trouble following the faster fighters in-universe despite dwarfing them in power.
Apart from whipping up that gadget out of thin air which allowed Goku to summon him, Zen-Oh has only ever shown the ability to destroy things(albeit to a much greater extent than anyone else in the franchise.) And yeah, he isn't a fighter(as confirmed by Whis and Beerus), and required a "GodPad" to follow the movements of the noteworthy fighters during the ToP. He has also never displayed resistance to any external attacks, ever... So toss a coin regarding his overall durability. /shrug
The only reason why Zen-Oh seems to be regarded as DB's #1 is because he can erase anything he wants on a whim. Aside from that, he hasn't demonstrated any noteworthy versatility at all.
He's basically like if you gave a little boy the UN, and told him to just click the button whenever he didn't like something -- most still wouldn't dare challenge him out of fear of being erased, even if they could beat the shit out of him one on one.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kinda true ngl, and most of these plebs have only watched the anime when the manga is by far the superior version of the story simply because it shows how incredibly skilled Toriyama really is as a draftsman, especially for a shonen artist. Almost no one in manga can convey time and movement the way he does.
one punch man manga has good fight scenes
i just think there are so many more anime/manga that have characters with way more interesting powersets than db, for example naruto for much of its faults are much better at depicting their world and the shinobi's powers. it makes much better fight because it's not just flying punching and shooting beams. there are strategies involved in their fighting
they are also less absurd with their power levels so you can match up naruto characters with meta level comic people.
also unrelated note check out spy x family such good show
Originally posted by Galan007so if zeno is so weak, they why hasn't someone tried to kill him and take the spot??
For whatever reason, Toriyama seems to view lifting strength and striking strength as two completely different things.On one hand, Goku evidently needed SS to lift a total of 40 tons(10 tons on each extremity.) On the other hand, he can kick you so hard into a mountain that it shatters on impact. The disparity between these two 'forms' of physical strength has never made sense to me, but that's Tori for you. /shrug
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Apart from whipping up that gadget out of thin air which allowed Goku to summon him, Zen-Oh has only ever shown the ability to destroy things(albeit to a much greater extent than anyone else in the franchise.) And yeah, he isn't a fighter(as confirmed by Whis and Beerus), and required a "GodPad" to follow the movements of the noteworthy fighters during the ToP. He has also never displayed resistance to any external attacks, ever... So toss a coin regarding his overall durability. /shrug
The only reason why Zen-Oh seems to be regarded as DB's #1 is because he can erase anything he wants on a whim. Aside from that, he hasn't demonstrated any noteworthy versatility at all.
He's basically like if you gave a little boy the UN, and told him to just click the button whenever he didn't like something -- most still wouldn't dare challenge him out of fear of being erased, even if they could beat the shit out of him one on one.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
so if zeno is so weak, they why hasn't someone tried to kill him and take the spot??
1) He can one-shot-kill you faster than Bada can.
2) Maybe that's why he has bodyguards?
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXZen-Oh isn't 'weak'. He can effortlessly erase absolutely anything in DB. I'm just saying that he has never displayed any real versatility aside from pure destruction, and seems rather finite in many other areas. So trying to put him on the level of actual Supreme Beings(ala Marvel/DC) doesn't work.
so if zeno is so weak, they why hasn't someone tried to kill him and take the spot??
As for why no one has tried to usurp Zen-Oh's position, there are a few main reasons:
1.) If he gets wind of your treachery, he'll casually erase you.
2.) He resides in a 'realm' that is completely separate from the mainstream multiverse(only Supreme Kais and Angels can even access this place.)
3.) He has the strongest Angel(along with a few guards of yet undisclosed power) protecting him.
4*.) It is also possible that he might have staggering physicals and a bunch of other esoteric abilities, and we have just never seen him resort to those.
That said, Zen-Oh is pretty safe/untouchable while in his palace.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW👆
1) He can one-shot-kill you faster than Bada can.2) Maybe that's why he has bodyguards?
Originally posted by Galan007
Well the IG essentially makes you God within your universe. So I'm assuming that level of 'authority' would be sufficient to override a wish from the Super Dragon, and kill Zamasu.Oh Zamasu was a complete genocidal megalomaniac. So the PS would likely effect him, but I don't know what'd happen after. /shrug
That said, I doubt Zamasu would actually be able to kill himself, as he was granted true immortality by the Super Dragon -- and as far as we know, Zen-Oh's erasure was the only force in DB that was capable of perma-killing him. As I mentioned earlier, Zamasu was beyond even Beerus' ability to outright destroy.
Mindphuckery and the like would work. Some sort of esoteric containment might work as well(until Zamasu went 'ethereal-mode', at least), but those tactics seem to be off the table here.
*Checks thread stips, sees what's banned*
"Oh, yeah, I'm sure those would have a good chance of working, but they're forbidden, alas."
I see your games, Galan-chan.
Originally posted by Galan007
The disparity between these two 'forms' of physical strength has never made sense to me, but that's Tori for you. /shrug
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You're saying that is if it wasn't a common thing in other fictional universes, DC and Marvel included.
Karate Kid, Iron Fist and Karnak say hello. Mandarin. Temugin.
Ffs, Bats and Cap too.
Or even guys like Nick Fury:
^ Most definitely.
But in DB, I feel like the disparity between lifting strength and striking strength is even more pronounced. Like Goku can struggle to lift 10 tons with one arm, but can then use that same arm to punch his opponent so hard that they go flying through mountains like a hot knife through butter. I dunno, the math has just never math'd to me when it comes to 'strength feats' in DB... I suppose it's just better to just treat lifting and striking as two completely different areas of physical strength. /shrug
Thought Universe 6 was infinite in size with unlimited Galaxies.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Most definitely.But in DB, I feel like the disparity between lifting strength and striking strength is even more pronounced. Like Goku can struggle to lift 10 tons with one arm, but can then use that same arm to punch his opponent so hard that they go flying through mountains like a hot knife through butter. I dunno, the math has just never math'd to me when it comes to 'strength feats' in DB...
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Sure, because DB characters operate on much higher power levels.
Originally posted by Galan007
I suppose it's just better to just treat lifting and striking as two completely different areas of physical strength. /shrug
Most of us here have already been doing that with many characters.
So no reason not to apply it to DB.