Originally posted by ODGDid you read them?
What's "full power lucifer" exactly? Surely, you're not suggesting that the Demiurgos power that Michael possessed was Lucifer's?Or are you just trying to handwave away the events of volumes 2-3 of Lucifer?
We see that the entirety of vol 3 was one of his old attempts at making it out of the plan just to be put right back in place, while at the end of Vol 1, he does.
By 'full power', one would assume they means he is still The Morningstar and has his wings and . . his full power.
Originally posted by JuntaiYes, I read them. Several times. Particularly vol.3.
Did you read them?
Because Vol 2 likely isnt in continuity anymore, and Holly herself had said as much on twitter.
And Vol 3 took place before/during Vol 1[as vol1 kind of spanned all time]
I also do not consider writer interviews, much less allusions to random Twitter comments. If I could be bothered to count the number of phucks I give about them, I might attempt it. However, it might be mathematically impossible to count to zero. Suggesting Holly Black's Lucifer vol.2 was some alternate DC/Vertigo version is just another way of saying IDLI, IDH.
It's also supremely ironic given that I recall so many KMC posters demand that Carey's Yahweh, or Lucifer, or Elaine Belloc were singularly representative of the entirety of the DC/Vertigo multiverse. Glad that's no longer an issue between us.
Originally posted by JuntaiYour interpretation belies that you haven't read vol.3 recently or closely. The cart does not lead the horse. And how Lucifer vol.1 ended does not dictate when Lucifer vol.3 started/ended.
We see that the entirety of vol 3 was one of his old attempts at making it out of the plan just to be put right back in place, while at the end of Vol 1, he does.
Lucifer vol.3 is a masterpiece.
It needs to be read altogether. Because I had no idea wtf was going on the first 2 issues. Every few pages were about a different character in a different scene dealing with a seemingly disconnected plot.
I just stopped reading it altogether. When it finished it's run, I tried again. Still didn't get it at first and my eyes were still glazing over those first few issues but once I made it past the first 3 issues, I witnessed the plot threads tying themselves together. Ultimately, there is not a wasted panel or line of dialogue.
Dan Watters is one of my favorite writers just from that volume alone. I'll give anything he reads a chance.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXWell, it's the same Lucifer. So you should read them.
i mean full power. wings intact, and his power not neutered.also just commenting on mike carey's lucifer. never read the other volumes, but i've heard vol.3 is good.
My only criticism of vol.2 was the art clashed horribly with the tone of the story. The script/plot had violence, mystery, wit, irony and horror. The art was cartoony, blocky, and flat in comparison. Like.. coupled with a fun story about say... the Runaways or Booster Gold, the art would be perfect. It just clashes so badly that it makes the script/plot seem immature and trite.
If you can get past that, vol.2 is a pretty decent cosmic procedural murder mystery.
Originally posted by ODG
Well, it's the same Lucifer. So you should read them.My only criticism of vol.2 was the art clashed horribly with the tone of the story. The script/plot had violence, mystery, wit, irony and horror. The art was cartoony, blocky, and flat in comparison. Like.. coupled with a fun story about say... the Runaways or Booster Gold, the art would be perfect. It just clashes so badly that it makes the script/plot seem immature and trite.
If you can get past that, vol.2 is a pretty decent cosmic procedural murder mystery.
I read Odin is in volume 3. Did he do anything of note?
^ Vertigo's Odin is an overarching presence in the third of four parts of Dan Watters' vol.3 run. It revolves almost entirely around Odin and the Wild Hunt.
It may not be easily accessible unless you actually buy the volumes given there was an actual cancellation of vol. 3's serialization. But it's easily worth the time you take to search or the money you use to purchase.
Originally posted by ODGit doesn’t matter if you like it or not, when Sandman Universe launched it tossed out volume 2 as well as Keirnans Dreaming title it was directly tied to and all the changes it made to Sandman and Dreaming characters.
Yes, I read them. Several times. Particularly vol.3.I also do not consider writer interviews, much less allusions to random Twitter comments. If I could be bothered to count the number of phucks I give about them, I might attempt it. However, it might be mathematically impossible to count to zero. Suggesting Holly Black's Lucifer vol.2 was some alternate DC/Vertigo version is just another way of saying IDLI, IDH.
It's also supremely ironic given that I recall so many KMC posters demand that Carey's Yahweh, or Lucifer, or Elaine Belloc were singularly representative of the entirety of the DC/Vertigo multiverse. Glad that's no longer an issue between us. Your interpretation belies that you haven't read vol.3 recently or closely. The cart does not lead the horse. And how Lucifer vol.1 ended does not dictate when Lucifer vol.3 started/ended.
However, vol 1 new editions are rebranded as being part of Sandman universe.
So you have to reconcile where you think Vol 3 fits as it’s fairly standalone otherwise.
As far as being tied to DC, well Sandman is 100 percent tied to DC, and many of its characters and origins and stories rely on Sandman(as well as Constantine and Swamp Thing for that matter). So it’s understandable a lot of peoples canon involves these books.
Originally posted by ODGYeah, you can just download the Vol.3-Vol.4 TPBs, as they contain the unreleased issues.
^ Vertigo's Odin is an overarching presence in the third of four parts of Dan Watters' vol.3 run. It revolves almost entirely around Odin and the Wild Hunt.It may not be easily accessible unless you actually buy the volumes given there was an actual cancellation of vol. 3's serialization. But it's easily worth the time you take to search or the money you use to purchase.