Originally posted by Stoic
At their best isn't my rule. That seems to be what has been argued by most on this forum. For example, a Predator should have no chance against Wolverine in a forum setting, even though in the comics a Predator severely injured him.
Completely off topic but an elder pred should hand a young bone Logan his ass.
Originally posted by carver9
@Jun... you mentioning power ups is not him defeating universal let alone Galaxy level beings.Wait, with thr Barbatos showing, you do know in same story, Superman, Superboy Prime, Black Adam, Sinestro, Cyborg Superman and others, COMBINED, couldn't destroy a planet. Crazy thing, Superman said "give it everything you've got". Hopefully you're talking about something else.
Didn't Cho try punching the Moon with a hit that registered 123.2 on the Richter scale?
Originally posted by carver9
My post isn't saying that. I mention Universal and degraded it to EVEN galaxy levels.
As "let alone" suggests that "used to indicate that something is far less likely or suitable than something else already mentioned."
For example:
"he was incapable of leading a bowling team, let alone a country". You can see that the former object is the lower level in terms of scales
Originally posted by carver9
@Jun... you mentioning power ups is not him defeating universal let alone Galaxy level beings.Wait, with thr Barbatos showing, you do know in same story, Superman, Superboy Prime, Black Adam, Sinestro, Cyborg Superman and others, COMBINED, couldn't destroy a planet. Crazy thing, Superman said "give it everything you've got". Hopefully you're talking about something else.
Almost all of those characters have destroyed planets on panel, so that doesn't mean much. One of them even rearranged the entire universe.
Supes still casually one punched a guy that devours universes. Probably a better feat than any Hulk has. But thats way off topic, the way you casually brought Hulk into the thread.
Originally posted by Juntai
I was mentioning that through the last two years, he's either been explicitly depowered[most of that time], or he's amped himself[the rest of that time], which is why the request for specifically the last two years and unamped was stupid, because that leaves him depowered on Warworld, which isnt anywhere near a representation of his ability. I don't get why you couldn't understand that from my last post.Almost all of those characters have destroyed planets on panel, so that doesn't mean much. One of them even rearranged the entire universe.
Supes still casually one punched a guy that devours universes. Probably a better feat than any Hulk has. But thats way off topic, the way you casually brought Hulk into the thread.
Same guy accepts that Marvel Earth could take having a star on it's surface when Hulk was struggling with Proxima's spear...hmmm. Guess it was a tiny star then.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Completely off topic but an elder pred should hand a young bone Logan his ass.
Only in a video game.
And keep in mind that young BC Logan made adult, experienced, post-upgrade Parker run for his life screaming like a girl he is.
Comic book Yautja simply lack feats and job too much to pose threat. Their performance in the Wolverine cross-over is amazing compared to their earlier showings.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are any of you guys actually knowledgeable on Predator lore and canon, or do the movies just give you boners? Predator canon is full of normal human samurai, soldiers (past/present and future) killing Preds in one on one combat. Machiko only had a brown belt in Karate, and she has killed Predators in h2h and even Xenomorph Queens...Do some research people.
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Originally posted by jinzin
Dutch from the first movie has a brother in the Darkhorse comics who has a tendancy to dance with Preds one on one and he's beaten several in combat.
As I said before in a strict h2h fight with this woman Machiko a blooded bug hunting vet started to lose a fight with her until his friends began to cheat.
The newer/stronger/bigger Predators from the new film, Falconer Pred got killed in a sword duel with a mere Yakuza member.There's a lot of instances of Preds getting killed off left and right when they lose their invisability. Colonial Marines have dropped them in droves.
They've never displayed mass amounts of skill in a h2h fight... because most Pred's are not technically fighters, they're hunters.
It's one of the major reasons that Bad-blood Predators are so dangerous.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I accept that it was a star in weight. Comic told us so. But that weight completely immobilized him and then he reverted back to Banner. Thats comic science for you though. But thats nothing to a kryptonian, who can move stars around.
Same guy accepts that Marvel Earth could take having a star on it's surface when Hulk was struggling with Proxima's spear...hmmm. Guess it was a tiny star then.
Originally posted by Juntai
I accept that it was a star in weight. Comic told us so. But that weight completely immobilized him and then he reverted back to Banner. Thats comic science for you though. But thats nothing to a kryptonian, who can move stars around.
👆 yet Marvel Earth was completely unharmed, same with Marvel's Moon. Must mean Marvel is durable.
At the same time, all those Supers were also unable to destroy DC Earth. Must mean they're weak.
Double standards from young Carver.
Originally posted by Astner
As far as raw powers are concerned they're roughly the same.Captain Marvel had planet- and star-displacing feats a full decade before Superman ever did, in staring in Captain Marvel Adventures #28. But the most notable feat was when the Marvel Family displaced "billions of stars" (and planets) the Marvel Family #61 to prevent a collision of galaxies, and this was also before Superman got any planet-level feats.
Ultimately is should come down to Superman's susceptibility to magic versus Captain Marvel's lack of experience.
But i am talking about Post Crisis and specially Post Flashpoint shazam. He has not performed planet or star busting anything in a long time. Has he still mantained Superman equal status in the past 12 years?
Originally posted by light889
But i am talking about Post Crisis and specially Post Flashpoint shazam. He has not performed planet or star busting anything in a long time. Has he still mantained Superman equal status in the past 12 years?
The point is that they're roughly equal in power. It's like talking about Superman versus Gladiator or Hyperion. They roughly have the same feats across the spectrum. These kind of thread always come down to cherry-picking.
Originally posted by Astner
MrMind is, of course, one of those biased posters who loves to waste their time engaging in said cherry-picking.
when you said cherry-picking
you actually mean comparing feats and using logical arguments instead of making baseless claims
but that would be too much of a task for marvel fans.
understandable
Originally posted by MrMind
when you said cherry-pickingyou actually mean comparing feats and using logical arguments instead of making baseless claims
Gladiator and Hyperion have feats on par with some of Superman's best quantifiable feats. Punching planets apart, crossing galaxies in the blink of an eye, and holding apart two Earths on a collision path, and so on....
Do they have as many of these kinds of feats as Superman? Of course not, but that's a consequence of having fewer showings overall. Luckily, if the goal is determining consistent portrayals, then the number of showings aren't relevant beyond establishing said consistency.
Just crack open a Superman comic. Superman is not one-shotting Black Adam, Doomsday, Mongul, or Zod, despite the fact that these characters don't have the same number of high showings.
Originally posted by AstnerSure he does. In fact, he fought Bizarro, Mongul, Powersuit Lex, Metallo, Parasite and Silver Banshee at the same time and one shot each of them all on one page. Superman Red and Blue 5. And that’s just a more recent example off the top.
No, I meant cherry-picking, as in arbitrarily deciding what evidence to use and what evidence to ignore.Gladiator and Hyperion have feats on par with some of Superman's best quantifiable feats. Punching planets apart, crossing galaxies in the blink of an eye, and holding apart two Earths on a collision path, and so on....
Do they have as many of these kinds of feats as Superman? Of course not, but that's a consequence of having fewer showings overall. Luckily, if the goal is determining consistent portrayals, then the number of showings aren't relevant beyond establishing said consistency.
Just crack open a Superman comic. Superman is not one-shotting Black Adam, Doomsday, Mongul, or Zod, despite the fact that these characters don't have the same number of high showings.
But yes, some guys like Glads and Hyperion have some feats up in Supes bracket. That’s their upper end extreme feats. Those are Monday afternoon at 1:38pm for Superman while he’s still operating at lower levels.
Superman’s high feats are in the truly mythic or beating high end cosmics and gods and stuff.
