Lift the heavens
Who can lift the heavens like this?
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman voluntarily lifts the Heavens, so that Atlas can go to his daughter's wedding:
lol.
The same sky threatened to crush entire existence, Highfather tried to stop it by channeling godwave but failed eventually.
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Originally posted by carver9
Hercules and Regular Hulk could
Originally posted by Astner
This is one of those non-quantifiable feats with no inherent meaning that bullshitters like to peddle. I think even the writer explained that it's not a physical feat.But for the sake of argument, Hercules did it too.
- Incredible Hercules #121
Soon it would have crushed entire existence.
Nothing unquantifiable about it. Hercules only lifted axis Mundi, which is simply a magical axis.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules is lifting axis mundi, not actually heavens.Here it is straight up said that it's the spiritual center of Earth.
Marvel handbook states the same.
Originally posted by Smurph
The “axis” is just the point where the heavens above rest upon the earth below. Saying that Herc was lifting the axis doesn’t change the feat, because the axis = the point bearing the weight of the heavens.It’s why Atlas’ bio says that he bore heavens weight on his shoulders, which is exactly what Herc did when he took Atlas’ place.
And it’s based on the Greek myth of Hercules, which is obviously what Superman’s story is referencing.
Originally posted by Smurph
Thats like watching me pick up a motorcycle by its front tire and lift it above my head, and then saying that I only lifted a tire.The bio you posted says that Atlas bore “heaven’s weight upon his shoulders” and that Hercules briefly took on Atlas’ “celestial burden.” So, Hercules bore the heavens. You have to be ignoring those words to read it any other way.
Originally posted by Smurph
Originally posted by Smurph
Its not even a weight, Atlanteans siphoned some of the energy of the axis Mundi to make themselves the center of the world (not universe or multiverse mind you).
https://postimg.cc/HrBqyg8f
https://postimg.cc/Y40JNs1j
Referencing something doesn't make both feats equal, no matter how much you want it to.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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Its not, sky was falling and it was destroying planets as shown on panel.Soon it would have crushed entire existence.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules only lifted axis Mundi, which is simply a magical axis.
"There we condemned the titans' general, Atlas, to hold the heavens along as the Axis Mundi--the world axis--"
And it does make it clear that he did hold up the heavens.
Originally posted by Astner
Why are you cross-referencing? This is a completely unrelated comic dealing with a completely different idea of what the heavens are.
Lolwut? It's a canon comic expanding on what the weight of the heavens is.
What? Atlas was the Axis Mundi.
"There we condemned the titans' general, Atlas, to hold the heavens along as the Axis Mundi--the world axis--"
And it does make it clear that he did hold up the heavens.
Read and educate thyself.
Its not even a weight, Atlanteans siphoned some of the energy of the axis Mundi to make themselves the center of the world (not universe or multiverse mind you).
https://postimg.cc/HrBqyg8f
https://postimg.cc/Y40JNs1j
Its not even a weight, it's an energy field.
Originally posted by abhilegendAxis mundi = the point (ie axis) that bears the weight of the heavens.
There's nothing in the story that indicates axis Mundi can destroy the multiverse if Atlas let it go.Its not even a weight, Atlanteans siphoned some of the energy of the axis Mundi to make themselves the center of the world (not universe or multiverse mind you).
https://postimg.cc/HrBqyg8f
https://postimg.cc/Y40JNs1jReferencing something doesn't make both feats equal, no matter how much you want it to.
You can quibble about what the "heavens" equals (ie less than a planet, a whole universe, a multiverse), whatever. But you've been peddling this bullshit about axis mundi being "less weight" because it's "just a magical axis" and we've been over this argument three times now.
An axis is a point that bears weight, my dude. It doesn't matter that it can be drained of its magical energy (???). While it bears the heavens weight, then lifting it = lifting the heavens.
Originally posted by Smurph
Axis mundi = the point (ie axis) that bears the weight of the heavens.You can quibble about what the "heavens" equals (ie less than a planet, a whole universe, a multiverse), whatever. But you've been peddling this bullshit about axis mundi being "less weight" because it's "just a magical axis" and we've been over this argument three times now.
An axis is a point that bears weight, my dude. It doesn't matter that it can be drained of its magical energy (???). While it bears the heavens weight, then lifting it = lifting the heavens.
No, it was outright stated to be energy field in the handbook.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? It's a canon comic expanding on what the weight of the heavens is.
But let's be a bit more straight-forward: Is there any evidence (at all) that these concepts are connected other than they both being referred to as "the Heavens?"
Originally posted by abhilegend
Read and educate thyself.
Originally posted by abhilegendNo, if you re-read my post I think you'll find that I don't give a shit about whether heavens are likened to the sky or the multiverse or the omniverse. Ironically, you are busy trying to stitch together unrelated DC comics to inflate Superman's feat from simply heavens to instead = multiverse.
So basically you are borrowing Mr Master terminology where anything can be anything, heavens=multiverse=omniverse?No, it was outright stated to be energy field in the handbook.
Everything from the actual panels to the handbooks shows that lifting "axis mundi" in Marvel = lifting the heavens (whatever you define that to mean). If you keep insisting that axis mundi is something lesser, you just look like a liar and a dipshit.
Abhi's Superman fanboyism is destroying him.
Originally posted by Astner
A comic that was released three years later, by a different writer, telling a completely different story with unrelated concepts, and not making any references to the story you cross-reference.
That's how a shared universe works. If it's canon, it can be cross referenced.
But let's be a bit more straight-forward: Is there any evidence (at all) that these concepts are connected other than they both being referred to as "the Heavens?"
You mean there are two different Atlas in DC holding up two different skies?
What are you talking about? I literally cited the narration box from the first page you posted. Atlas is the Axis Mundi, and he held up the Heavens.
Axis Mundi is the energy field which Atlas holds up. Learn to read.
Originally posted by Smurph
No, if you re-read my post I think you'll find that I don't give a shit about whether heavens are likened to the sky or the multiverse or the omniverse. Ironically, you are busy trying to stitch together unrelated DC comics to inflate Superman's feat from simply heavens to instead = multiverse.
Because it literally is. The sky fell and almost crushed entire existence including multiverse and sphere of Gods.
Everything from the actual panels to the handbooks shows that lifting "axis mundi" in Marvel = lifting the heavens (whatever you define that to mean). If you keep insisting that axis mundi is something lesser, you just look like a liar and a dipshit.
And you're equating it to Superman's feat because why not? Even if I were to accept it is more than an energy field which is again reiterated in History of the Marvel Universe.
Yggdrasil=Axis Mundi=Energy field.
What's the weight of the heavens Hercules lifted?
Originally posted by abhilegendWtf are you talking about. Where is it stated that Axis Mundi = Yggdrasil?
Even if I were to accept it is more than an energy field which is again reiterated in History of the Marvel Universe....
Yggdrasil=Axis Mundi=Energy field.
This is the most unhinged, tinfoil hat, shitposting random scans in an insanely roundabout attempt to prop up Superman bs
Originally posted by Smurph
Wtf are you talking about. Where is it stated that Axis Mundi = Yggdrasil?This is the most unhinged, tinfoil hat, shitposting random scans in an insanely roundabout attempt to prop up Superman bs
https://postimg.cc/image/a7a7qi819/
"The axis Mundi exists in various other forms to various other faiths including Yggdrasil".
I thought you read the scans lol