Originally posted by ODG
Hmph. Thor's had the Odinforce for so long I can't actually recall who he's fought before that didn't involve either a completely diminished Unworthy Thor or the Thor Corps? By that token, are we including Jane Thor in this or only Thor Odinson?
Back in the day, he beat a Celestial 1v1.
Originally posted by SmurphWell... I guess that's a good question. Do people think that feats by characters like Beta Ray Bill or Eric Masterson or Jane Foster wielding Mjolnir with the power of Thor should not be considered a feat by Thor?
The "Jane" part of "Jane Thor" isn't context?
Because Odinson didn't do it but someone literally utilizing Thor's power did it?
I'm curious.
Originally posted by ODGI mean for the purpose of this thread it's Carver's call as to what he's asking for -- but it's hard to understand what "context" means if we're ignoring pretty glaring contextual issues, such as who's wielding the hammer.
Well... I guess that's a good question. Do people think that feats by characters like Beta Ray Bill or Eric Masterson or Jane Foster wielding Mjolnir with the power of Thor should not be considered a feat by Thor?Because Odinson didn't do it but someone literally utilizing Thor's power did it?
I'm curious.
Bigger picture, the forum rule is that feats don't transfer, whether as between hammer wielders or GLs or heralds or kryptonians.
If truly pressed I think the best and only use for the evidence is what somebody could do with their power, but doesn't. Which is mostly a distinction without a difference.
Ie, Jane's "move like lightning" surgery feat in her short stint as Thor dwarfs Odinson's speed feats.
Should he logically be able to access the same power? Idk, comics. Sure/maybe/your mileage may vary.
Does he? No.
Originally posted by carver9I'm pointing out that your thread parameters don't make sense. I can't offer an opinion in a thread without parameters.
Smurph, you wasn't participating with the original post anyways. You came into this thread complaining. So, I don't get why you're disputing my Jane comment when the initial thread overall was a problem to you.
I suspect that the parameters don't make sense because this is just a poorly conceived bait thread. But you're welcome to prove me wrong with a little bit of clarity around what this thread is looking for, exactly.
Originally posted by ODG
Well... I guess that's a good question. Do people think that feats by characters like Beta Ray Bill or Eric Masterson or Jane Foster wielding Mjolnir with the power of Thor should not be considered a feat by Thor?Because Odinson didn't do it but someone literally utilizing Thor's power did it?
I'm curious.
I'd say no, no more than the reverse (defeats) for those characters are = defeats for Thor.
As Smurph says, we don't share feats ( and Carver usually doesn't either, so him allowing them in his own thread is mystifying). Where does it end?
GLs don't get to share feats, despite all having the same ring.
Flashes don't get to share feats.
Punisher in an old armour doesn't get Tony/Rhodeys feats.
Imperfect analogies all, so I'm sure holes can be picked in them, but the point remains - we don't share feats, just like we don't share defeats.
Of course he could just be an idiot, we'll never know.
Originally posted by Smurph
I'm pointing out that your thread parameters don't make sense. I can't offer an opinion in a thread without parameters.I suspect that the parameters don't make sense because this is just a poorly conceived bait thread. But you're welcome to prove me wrong with a little bit of clarity around what this thread is looking for, exactly.
It's simple. Name the last fights these individuals won without being amped. Start there. ODG caught on real quick. You're just trying to be difficult, lol.
Originally posted by ODG
Well... I guess that's a good question. Do people think that feats by characters like Beta Ray Bill or Eric Masterson or Jane Foster wielding Mjolnir with the power of Thor should not be considered a feat by Thor?Because Odinson didn't do it but someone literally utilizing Thor's power did it?
I'm curious.
Good question. I wonder if Carvy would respond. Good of you to be curious, guess some things aren't that clear cut.
Originally posted by carver9Ok. So, to be clear, there was no context in the Thor/Odin fight? The stuff ODG mentioned doesn't amount to "context" here?
It's simple. Name the last fights these individuals won without being amped. Start there. ODG caught on real quick. You're just trying to be difficult, lol.
Originally posted by Smurph
Ok. So, to be clear, there was no context in the Thor/Odin fight? The stuff ODG mentioned doesn't amount to "context" here?
Since the word context is causing confusion, scratch that out and go by what I said above. This should help with getting things on tract. Now if you continue mentioning this, then that just means you want to argue, and I don't argue with men.
Originally posted by carver9
Did Superman pass Superboy Prime his power? If he did, then yes, it counts.
Or we can use Barry as an example. Does Barry get all the powers from all other speedsters that access to SF(after all, he is the engine for Speed Force)
I mean the comics are clear that even though they both wield Mjolnir, the Motherstorm preferred Jane and Mjolnir flew for her in ways it didn't for Odinson.
Iow, they performed completely differently.
All GLs get their power from Oa, but what they DO with that power is different. Shazam gets his powers from many of the same gods WW does (Zeus being a notable example) - do they all share feats?
Does Thor really have that shitty a back catalogue that we have to raid a completely different character for feats? Gawddamn......