Then there's this gem:
Originally posted by carver9
4th panel...Noticed that Gladiator have the ability to buffer people power level and add it to his own...
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41686819/Doctor_Strange_016-014.jpg.html
Originally posted by SmurphI agree and have advocated that a weapon or powerset does not automatically transfer all feats. Dumbing it down further, trade a sword back and forth between a master sworsdman and a schlub doesn't transfer feats/skills between them.
I mean for the purpose of this thread it's Carver's call as to what he's asking for -- but it's hard to understand what "context" means if we're ignoring pretty glaring contextual issues, such as who's wielding the hammer.Bigger picture, the forum rule is that feats don't transfer, whether as between hammer wielders or GLs or heralds or kryptonians.
Having said that, the Power of Thor is more than just a tool. It's more than just Mjolnir. It's an identity and one that I am hard-pressed to find an analogy for in comics other than... maybe the Spectreforce???
Yes, there have been different wielders of the Spectreforce but they've all been the Spectre. And while the bearer's personality usually ends up presenting a great deal of tension and a foil to Spectre's purpose for narrative conflict, whatever feats or fights have happened have been the "Spectre". Unless we're meant to treat every Spectre differently??? If so, I'd have to think on it more.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That's a good point. That's a clear difference. But beyond Mjolnir's flight maneuvers, I'd disagree with the notion they performed completely differently. Especially as it's fair to point out that Thor has simply forgotten that's he's made Mjolnir bounce/swirl around like crazy.
I mean the comics are clear that even though they both wield Mjolnir, the Motherstorm preferred Jane and Mjolnir flew for her in ways it didn't for Odinson.Iow, they performed completely differently.
If anything, Jane Thor is more limited than Thor because she's not Asgardian. She can't go into a berserker rage. She can't combine Asgardian energies into Mjolnir and do a Godblast. She can't utilize the limited spellcasting that Thor has done. She also has to deal with the 60 second rule. She has more going against her than going for her.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Already addressed this above. It's arguably reductive when it comes to characters like Thor and Spectre.
All GLs get their power from Oa, but what they DO with that power is different. Shazam gets his powers from many of the same gods WW does (Zeus being a notable example) - do they all share feats?Does Thor really have that shitty a back catalogue that we have to raid a completely different character for feats? Gawddamn......
Haven't been many characters that have had years of their publishing history where their power is granted to a mortal as headliner. Masterson had it for years. Jane had it for much longer. And in between those times, Thor has further possessed the Odinforce for years at a time. Anyway, what "context-less" fights has Jane Thor had that outshine Thor's anyway?
Originally posted by ODG
Unless we're meant to treat every Spectre differently???
What about the Phoenix Force and it's hosts (only thought about it from the links qwerty posted)?
Edit: for Odg, because I am lazy and derivative:
Originally posted by Philosophía
Spectre [Source]
COIE Dawn of Time Corrigan
Corrigan Spectre
Hal Jordan Spectre
DoV Spectre
Golden Age Spectre
Crispus Spectre
Spectre [80s Post COIE]Imo.
^ Phoenixforce has such variance between whose wielding it that I'd distinguish them by the user.
But even if we accept this, that doesn't really support my notion, it undermines it. 👆
COIE Dawn of Time Corrigan Spectre was just Corrigan Spectre amping off DC Earth's magicians. And Golden Age Spectre and 80s Post COIE Spectre are just Corrigan Spectre, no?
And isn't Source Spectre just a hostless Spectre? Which would be DoV Spectre? Seems you can shrink the list.
