Mongul vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Juntai
I mean if we’re ignoring the fact that he was nearly powerless from red sun from the Sun Eater and that the explosion was 50 supernova worth of Entropy explosion, and not solar energy, then sure.

Let's look at another example.

Action Comics #867

Here Superman is knocked unconscious by a Sun-like star supernova after Braniac triggered it. He was at a inhabited planet at the time, with earth-like buildings, so it's fair to assume the conditions are similar to that of the Earth and the Sun, i.e. a distance of one astronomic unit, meaning that very little of the energy actually reached him. We could speculate further by pointing out that it was a yellow star (which Superman gets his powers from) so it should have even less of an effect, but I think that's unfair/reaching.

Surfer is a lot closer, and unaffected.

Silver Surfer (1987) #145

So here you have a phenomenon that knocks out Superman but leaves the Surfer unfazed. And as far as I know, Clark has never tanked a supernova, let alone remain unperturbed by it like the Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Astner

Surfer is a lot closer, and unaffected.

Silver Surfer (1987) #145

So here you have a phenomenon that knocks out Superman but leaves the Surfer unfazed. And as far as I know, Clark has never tanked a supernova, let alone remain unperturbed by it like the Silver Surfer.

So maybe he gets blasted by the supernova at the first page, but certainly isn't the full force of it.
Similar to Superman's sun-eater example. Superman was at the ground zero of that explosion(when he was weakened by red sun light). And then he tried to outrace the radiations it generated

Originally posted by Stoic
Abhi, would you say that Mongul would be as physically dominating as Thanos was at the time that he casually defeated the Surfer? Killing him with his bare hands?

Yes.

Thanos is cosmic, but not on account to Galactus as you likely know. This is why he can do ludicrous amounts of damage on the Surfer. Even without mentioning the two times that he was augmented, the Surfer has power over organic Life forms, which allows him to shield himself from taking damage from similar opponents.

Like who?

The Hulk is a prime example. Thor is as well, to a certain extent. Thor literally caved the Surfers head in with his hammer, and Norrin got back up as if nothing happened.

However, I'm more than willing to be corrected. What's the story with Mongul? Why do you see this going a different way?

He's vastly stronger than Surfer and Surfer tends to do poorly in such encounters.

Originally posted by Astner
It's been some time since I read the story but you're correct, he was blasted by red solar radiation in the previous scene. So I'll retract that point since it's not necessarily reliable.

Let's look at another example.

Action Comics #867

Here Superman is knocked unconscious by a Sun-like star supernova after Braniac triggered it. He was at a inhabited planet at the time, with earth-like buildings, so it's fair to assume the conditions are similar to that of the Earth and the Sun, i.e. a distance of one astronomic unit, meaning that very little of the energy actually reached him. We could speculate further by pointing out that it was a yellow star (which Superman gets his powers from) so it should have even less of an effect, but I think that's unfair/reaching.

Coincidentally a supernova would have killed everyone on marvel earth under Starlin. Including Thanos . Just like here.
http://i.imgur.com/8MlDsKc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RgUkI8R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HAG66JQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eVXdz7m.jpg
Even though it was illusion created by Warlock, if he hadn't created it Goddess would've killed the whole universe with those exploding stars.
http://i.imgur.com/30uPDmt.jpg

Infinity Crusade 6

Surfer is a lot closer, and unaffected.

Silver Surfer (1987) #145

The explosion never even touched Surfer, the very next page makes it clear.

https://ibb.co/mSPKJZY

Why do you lie so much?

So here you have a phenomenon that knocks out Superman but leaves the Surfer unfazed. And as far as I know, Clark has never tanked a supernova, let alone remain unperturbed by it like the Silver Surfer.

Surfer has never tanked a supernova.

Mongul isn't as physically strong or even close to Thanos and he's also not vastly stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by carver9
Mongul isn't as physically strong or even close to Thanos and he's also not vastly stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by carver9
Mongul isn't as physically strong or even close to Thanos and he's also not vastly stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course he is. He contends with Superman (who is stronger than Thanos) and overpowers Wonder Woman. Superman stated that his grip (one handed) was equal to Darkseid grip (a bear hug). He is at least a physical peer to Thanos. Thanos is more versatile though, a better fighter, and much smarter.

Superman fts doesn't transfer to Mongul. That's not how this works. He's not significantly more stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Like who?

He's vastly stronger than Surfer and Surfer tends to do poorly in such encounters.

Recently or as recent as Ross being the Hulk, Marvel established that unless a character was Cosmic they couldn't do full damage on guys that were, such as Uatu being ripped on by Rulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Like who?

He's vastly stronger than Surfer and Surfer tends to do poorly in such encounters.

Sorry did you say that Mongul was vastly stronger than the Hulk, or Thanos, Thor, etc? I have trouble believing that. Wonder Woman does little to sway my opinion when the Hulk has a limit that far surpasses Mongul. The Surfer has the exotic ability to nerf non cosmic, and non robotic characters.

Originally posted by Stoic
Recently or as recent as Ross being the Hulk, Marvel established that unless a character was Cosmic they couldn't do full damage on guys that were, such as Uatu being ripped on by Rulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fts doesn't transfer to Mongul. That's not how this works. He's not significantly more stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry did you say that Mongul was vastly stronger than the Hulk, or Thanos, Thor, etc? I have trouble believing that. Wonder Woman does little to sway my opinion when the Hulk has a limit that far surpasses Mongul. The Surfer has the exotic ability to nerf non cosmic, and non robotic characters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What do you mean by cosmic?
Let me know when Thanos or Surfer do something like this.

Do something like what?

Originally posted by carver9
Do something like what?

Across the solar system? Cracking planets? Where

Originally posted by carver9
Across the solar system? Cracking planets? Where

Originally posted by Astner
It's been some time since I read the story but you're correct, he was blasted by red solar radiation in the previous scene. So I'll retract that point since it's not necessarily reliable.

Let's look at another example.

Action Comics #867

Here Superman is knocked unconscious by a Sun-like star supernova after Braniac triggered it. He was at a inhabited planet at the time, with earth-like buildings, so it's fair to assume the conditions are similar to that of the Earth and the Sun, i.e. a distance of one astronomic unit, meaning that very little of the energy actually reached him. We could speculate further by pointing out that it was a yellow star (which Superman gets his powers from) so it should have even less of an effect, but I think that's unfair/reaching.

Surfer is a lot closer, and unaffected.

Silver Surfer (1987) #145

So here you have a phenomenon that knocks out Superman but leaves the Surfer unfazed. And as far as I know, Clark has never tanked a supernova, let alone remain unperturbed by it like the Silver Surfer.

Surfering the waves is like rolling with the punches. It astronomically reduces the total kinetic energy striking Surfer with.

And a supernova can end all of life on a planet from light years away.
1 AU is almost the same as ground zero.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fts doesn't transfer to Mongul. That's not how this works. He's not significantly more stronger than Surfer.

He fought Superman and was beating the shit out of him at one point while taking Superman's nearly full strikes. That doesn't prove they have comparable strength?

Well then since Thanos doesnt have any lifting feats (only feats fighting characters) then by default he's weaker than Colossus.

Also you forgot about him being stronger than Darkseid (his one-handed grip = Darkseid two handed bear hug grip).