Originally posted by zopzop
I never believed the [b]Odin/Space Ants fight happened till Abhi posted the scan. For like a decade people talked about it on this forum but no one posted the scans or could site what issue it took place in (so I could look it up myself). [/B]
I vaguely recall hearing about that. Sounds peak Silver Age.
It's a bit disingenuous to say Asgardians are only as strong as 'medieval weapons' when they're blatantly superhuman (I recall Balder casually deflecting bullets and missiles with his sword, and even guys like Volstagg generally have little trouble with most modern weapons).
Put a normal guy with a sword against a normal guy with a gun and the latter wins every time. But if the guy with the sword can swing it faster than the speed of sound and with enough force to slice a mountain in half, it's a completely different story.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's a bit disingenuous to say Asgardians are only as strong as 'medieval weapons' when they're blatantly superhuman (I recall Balder casually deflecting bullets and missiles with his sword, and even guys like Volstagg generally have little trouble with most modern weapons).Put a normal guy with a sword against a normal guy with a gun and the latter wins every time. But if the guy with the sword can swing it faster than the speed of sound and with enough force to slice a mountain in half, it's a completely different story.
It's even more disingenuous to pretend normal 'no-name' Asgardians (as my post specified) are somehow on the level of the Warriors 3, let alone Balder.
Taskmaster (so a street level character) was able to make fools of two Asgardians.
Have some mythic scans!
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's even more disingenous to pretend normal 'no-name' Asgardians (as my post specified) are somehow on the level of the Warriors 3, let alone Balder.Taskmaster (so a street level character) was able to make fools of two Asgardians.
And Taskmaster also has feats of bullet timing and other crazy superhuman stuff, not to mention his ability to copy and predict the movements of his opponents.
Put him against any RL soldier and he would destroy them quite easily... even without weapons.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
And Taskmaster also has feats of bullet timing and other crazy superhuman stuff, not to mention his ability to copy and predict the movements of his opponents.Put him against any RL soldier and he would destroy them quite easily... even without weapons.
And yet... he is a mere street tier. Superhuman or not (and ignoring the whole 'burst of superhuman speed' thing that he does, he was still able to dance around and kill two beings who were able to kill those space ants. A Low Meta tier character like Daken was effortlessly slaughtering dozens, maybe even hundreds of Asgardian soldiers (he was joking about and having fun whilst doing so):
I think you are missing the point here. The point being that random Asgardians and their medieval weaponry are nowhere near Odin level, yet were able to bring down 'many ants' with their swords etc.
And at the same time, Daken/Taskmaster are easily the betters of random Asgardians.
So:
Space ants < Random Asgardians <<<<<<Daken/Taskmaster.
Yet same space ants, were able to capture and enslave Odin. You are mentioning Balder, and Volstagg, when nobody here did.
My point was that, despite jobbing a lot, Asgardians are still way stronger than real life Medieval soldiers, which you were comparing them to. (Also, why are you assuming that all of the alien ant casualties were inflicted by only the weakest mooks, instead of people like Hogun, Balder, or even Odin himself? The scan never shows or states who it was that scored the kills).
And yeah, low showings exist for everyone, unless you're seriously suggesting that Daken and Taskmaster are stronger than Odin.
Then again, with the inexplicable hateboner that this forum seems to have for Thor and all of his related characters nowadays, maybe you are...
Originally posted by Endless Mike
My point was that, despite jobbing a lot, Asgardians are still way stronger than real life Medieval soldiers, which you were comparing them to. (Also, why are you assuming that all of the alien ant casualties were inflicted by only the weakest mooks, instead of people like Hogun, Balder, or even Odin himself? The scan never shows or states who it was that scored the kills).And yeah, low showings exist for everyone, unless you're seriously suggesting that Daken and Taskmaster are stronger than Odin.
Then again, with the inexplicable hateboner that this forum seems to have for Thor and all of his related characters nowadays, maybe you are...
I said the ants died to normal Asgardians and their medieval weaponry. Nowhere in my post did I then say 'and they're no better than an English peasant from 1100 AD'.
Agreed on the low showing. I never said otherwise. All my posts had no bias, and were factual - there were space ants, they died to normal Asgardians and their medieval weaponry, not all normal Asgardians are on the level of Balder and/or Volstagg.
You just jumped on to protect the beloved Asgardians, lol.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's a bit disingenuous to say Asgardians are only as strong as 'medieval weapons' when they're blatantly superhuman (I recall Balder casually deflecting bullets and missiles with his sword, and even guys like Volstagg generally have little trouble with most modern weapons).Put a normal guy with a sword against a normal guy with a gun and the latter wins every time. But if the guy with the sword can swing it faster than the speed of sound and with enough force to slice a mountain in half, it's a completely different story.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
My point was that, despite jobbing a lot, Asgardians are still way stronger than real life Medieval soldiers, which you were comparing them to. (Also, why are you assuming that all of the alien ant casualties were inflicted by only the weakest mooks, instead of people like Hogun, Balder, or even Odin himself? The scan never shows or states who it was that scored the kills).And yeah, low showings exist for everyone, unless you're seriously suggesting that Daken and Taskmaster are stronger than Odin.
Then again, with the inexplicable hateboner that this forum seems to have for Thor and all of his related characters nowadays, maybe you are...
