Originally posted by Juntai
Do they even have bio that says their general strength or anything?We know Amazons and Atlanteans are in the 10ton range by bios and feats.
From handbook bio? Average Asgardians were originally supposed to be more godly. They were described as 30-tonners and were pretty tough and resistant to injury. I feel like later on they seemed a bit watered down.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Ignoring the little spat here, I heard someone asking for feats for fodder/mook Asgardians. I looked and it seems I have a few.Asgardians can survive for hours with their hearts removed from their bodies, and can possibly revive fully if the heart is placed back in their chest:
https://i.imgur.com/vGKMlcC.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/ZtK4eEt.jpegAsgardians are unhurt by flaming geysers erupting beneath them (their horses are vulnerable but not them):
https://i.imgur.com/uCbVu5G.jpeg
And that's basically the extent of what I have for fodder/nameless Asgardians.
Endless posted the same scan as Odg showing that Asgardians are nigh immortal.
Yet Daken is casually sitting on a pile of their corpses, Taskmaster is dancing around them getting them to kill each other, Mr X does the same, and the space ants killed loads. And that's just the ones that spring to mind.
One of the two categories is at odds with the other. One is a statement that they might revive if the hearts were placed back, and the other shows them definitely pretty dead.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't think it's so inconsistent that the alien ants could have had weapons that could defeat normal Asgardians. What's inconsistent is them beating Odin.
Plus Daken/Taskmaster/Mr X. Taskmaster also fought Fandral I believe, and was matching him - which, fine, skill is his thing, but if you have two opponents and each are equally skilled, the 30tonner (or whatever it is that Fandral is) should simply beat the poop out of Tasky
Anyway, some more scans that I have heard of but never actually seen are:
- Hulk diving into concentrated antimatter (I've seen him holding two spheres apart, one of which contained antimatter, but never actually touching the stuff directly)
- Magneto moving a moon out of orbit while battling Shi'ar warships (apparently some time back in the 70s)
- Similarly, Shi'ar warships destroying planets (or being stated to be able to do so with their normal/standard weapons)
- Pre-Crisis Superman creating and destroying multiple star systems as a side effect of a battle
If any of these exist and you have them, please post them.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Anyway, some more scans that I have heard of but never actually seen are:- Hulk diving into concentrated antimatter (I've seen him holding two spheres apart, one of which contained antimatter, but never actually touching the stuff directly)
- Magneto moving a moon out of orbit while battling Shi'ar warships (apparently some time back in the 70s)
- Similarly, Shi'ar warships destroying planets (or being stated to be able to do so with their normal/standard weapons)
- Pre-Crisis Superman creating and destroying multiple star systems as a side effect of a battle
If any of these exist and you have them, please post them.
Originally posted by JuntaiBios are worthless IMHO but yes, there are bio entires:
Do they even have bio that says their general strength or anything?We know Amazons and Atlanteans are in the 10ton range by bios and feats.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Daken killing them shouldn't be at odds with anything. Pretty sure he had Muramasa lacing his claws when he was a Dark Avenger. He lost them shortly after.
Endless posted the same scan as Odg showing that Asgardians are nigh immortal.Yet Daken is casually sitting on a pile of their corpses, Taskmaster is dancing around them getting them to kill each other, Mr X does the same, and the space ants killed loads. And that's just the ones that spring to mind.
One of the two categories is at odds with the other. One is a statement that they might revive if the hearts were placed back, and the other shows them definitely pretty dead.
Osborn also says most Asgardians are as tough as Spider-Man but if anything is lip-service, it's this:
Yeah. I assume you've been looking yourself through scans, and you know the whole mythos better than I - it sounds like (and again, not trapping anyone) there's a huge paucity of feats for what a 'generic' Asgardian is like.
The Muramasa blade was only on his third under claw, right? Pretty sure he was only using his top two claws
Originally posted by ODGIts fine when they match what's on panel.
Bios are worthless IMHO but yes, there are bio entires:Daken killing them shouldn't be at odds with anything. Pretty sure he had Muramasa lacing his claws when he was a Dark Avenger. He lost them shortly after.
Osborn also says most Asgardians are as tough as Spider-Man but if anything is lip-service, it's this:
For Amazons, we know they're really close to Diana before her gifts.
They were shown in the Perez era pushing giant boulders up hill, etc.
We've also seen good feats from characters like Grace and Artemis, who are trained Amazons but lacking Diana's extra given gifts.
But at the end, whether its feats or lip service, unnamed people in comics are almost always going to look much worse than a named one.
Like statistically, one of those Asgardians should beat the bejesus out of someone like Cap, but we know Cap can trade with Loki or Thor or knock out Hulk. So the stats are largely meaningless among the unnamed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. I assume you've been looking yourself through scans, and you know the whole mythos better than I - it sounds like (and again, not trapping anyone) there's a huge paucity of feats for what a 'generic' Asgardian is like.The Muramasa blade was only on his third under claw, right? Pretty sure he was only using his top two claws
Yeah, he was using his top two claws to slaughter them (note the first scan as he tears the jaw apart:
A random soldier was able to stop this ASgardian from stabbing him:
Originally posted by JuntaiYou and I don't disagree when it comes to figuring out averages of an entire race. I suppose my largest grievance is that you cannot really ask for an average when you exclude trained Asgardians who lack extra given gifts. Excluding Odin, Thor, etc. makes sense. But excluding Fandral, Hildegarde, etc.? That makes less sense.
Its fine when they match what's on panel.For Amazons, we know they're really close to Diana before her gifts.
They were shown in the Perez era pushing giant boulders up hill, etc.
We've also seen good feats from characters like Grace and Artemis, who are trained Amazons but lacking Diana's extra given gifts.
Disregarding extra given gifts eliminates extraordinary exceptions that would completely skew an average, But the averages of any species have their highs and lows. You eliminate the highs, you're not approximating an average. You're asking for their baseline lows.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That particular Osborn scan is a fantasy dream imposed upon him by the Fates. They were kinda messing with his mind the entire time during Siege.
Yeah, he was using his top two claws to slaughter them (note the first scan as he tears the jaw apart:
https://postimg.cc/dZLbnSDL]
https://postimg.cc/BtbfqtN4
https://postimg.cc/G870F1LW
https://postimg.cc/ZCNgRNNt
https://postimg.cc/r0p3FY1QA random soldier was able to stop this ASgardian from stabbing him:
https://postimg.cc/v1bCCmcROzzzbourn was able to casually slaughter them:
https://postimg.cc/QFpR67NkAnd his 3rd claw:
https://postimg.cc/xJTDNd2G
Either way, I don't disagree that Daken never visibly used his Muramasa claws against the Asgardians. Although they're bone claws, he can still slice through stuff like butter. He did the same to Skaar who is waaay tougher than "normal" Asgardians:
Originally posted by ODG
That particular Osborn scan is a fantasy dream imposed upon him by the Fates. They were kinda messing with his mind the entire time during Siege.Either way, I don't disagree that Daken never visibly used his Muramasa claws against the Asgardians. Although they're bone claws, he can still slice through stuff like butter. He did the same to Skaar who is waaay tougher than "normal" Asgardians:
Yeah lol I kinda guessed it wasn't real due to Osseigh not being,well, dead.
I was just showing that Daken wasn't using the third under claw (which had the blade) against the Asgardians, as the artist took special care to depict it when needed.
So them dying to Daken is still at odds with the whole 'immortal' shtick.
There is one Asgardian trope I've discovered that suggests how generally strong Asgardians are as a race. It's where they use bow and arrows to take out aerial fighters. Now Darksaint85 would object to the 1st and 2nd scans because they involve Heimdall and Hogun. But a closer reading of Hogun attacking the Thunderbolts' jet reveals that Paladin immediately recognizes the threat a single Asgardian bowman represents to their jet:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians11.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians08.jpg
These next few scans further suggest that normal Asgardian things are just well beyond humans so their bows cannot be drawn by normal people and even their doors are incredibly heavy that make a brick like Grizzly grunt just to open:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians10.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians09.jpg
The Asgardian bow and arrow trope reappears during the Shi'ar Asgardian War and this time it's faceless Asgardians:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians07.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85They're near immortal. As Doom observed, you could remove one's heart and might be able to stick it back in after several minutes and they'll be fine.
Yeah lol I kinda guessed it wasn't real due to Osseigh not being,well, dead.I was just showing that Daken wasn't using the third under claw (which had the blade) against the Asgardians, as the artist took special care to depict it when needed.
So them dying to Daken is still at odds with the whole 'immortal' shtick.
But Asgardians are all near immortal because they eat the golden apples of Idunn. And as I stated pages ago, they're less immortal on Earth than when in Asgard-space proper:
