Originally posted by carver9
Stop quoting that post. It's literally saying he is going to put him on a rock to get more power which means he doesn't have infinite strength. So the word could in that quote should've been couldn't.
2)Also Not sure whether or not Superman has infinite strength relates to Brainiac wants Superman or not.
Or are you going to say this is also a typo you made in that quote?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's my question - it is not only the sun, as you say. It is so much more than that (so the sun is a small component of it).My question, again, - what is this, and is it present on the battlefield? If you don't know, or if it does not say in THIS comic, then we rely on other comics.
And again: if Brainiac had already captured the metas from Metropolis, why did he then send Chacal after Superman?
Nothing there was said the sun is a small component.
Who knows? It's no proof of going over the cap of power.
He sent Chacal after Superman because Superman literally gifted himself to him. Brainiac left after getting all of the metas. Superman decided to get assistance from Lobo and track Brainiac ship. Brainiac sent the Lobos out to attack Supes and Lobo when they got close and Superman got captured.
He was long gone after capturing Superman family and every other super powered being in metropolis. Luthor even mentions that Brainiac wanted Supes, his family and every other super powered being in Metropolis...
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
1)So essentially, you're saying that quote you made is wrong, right?2)Also Not sure whether or not Superman has infinite strength relates to Brainiac wants Superman or not.
Or are you going to say this is also a typo you made in that quote?
I'm not replying to you anymore. Thanks for the debate, though.
Here, Brainiac was even going to leave without Supes after capturing everyone else...
Originally posted by carver9
Nothing there was said the sun is a small component.Who knows? It's no proof of going over the cap of power.
He sent Chacal after Superman because Superman literally gifted himself to him. Brainiac left after getting all of the metas. Superman decided to get assistance from Lobo and track Brainiac ship. Brainiac sent the Lobos out to attack Supes and Lobo when they got close and Superman got captured.
He was long gone after capturing Superman family and every other super powered being in metropolis. Luthor even mentions that Brainiac wanted Supes, his family and every other super powered being in Metropolis...
Actually, re-read the comic again, Carv:
What's the mission?
And why?
As for the sun being a small component
"I used to believe that it was exposure to the sun....but it is so much more than that, isn't it?" (paraphrased).
So if you don't know, how can you say it is not something internal to Superman? After all, alone out of all the allies captured he hadn't gotten his powers negated, and he was the weakest of all of them.
Originally posted by carver9
Here, Brainiac was even going to leave without Supes after capturing everyone else...
Lmao. Chacal was meant to capture Superman as well, but Lex jumped in front of him and got taken instead ('The boss isn't going to be pleased'😉 . Read the comic. Next page:
Lex sacrifices himself. But Superman was always meant to be taken in the first place.
And then afterwards, he knew Superman would come for him anyway.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not replying to you anymore. Thanks for the debate, though.
Cowardly running from him too?
So just two more pages of Derrick moving the goal post and ignoring evidence.
If Brainiac just needed power and Superman didn't have anything special, why would he say he'd tie him to a rock around a Sun and get energy indefinitely? Someone with his technology could just....harvest energy from that star itself.
Maybe those potential Dyson Spheres astronomers found are really just Brainiac getting energy because Derrick is right and we're wrong..... 😆
Originally posted by carver9
So he needed Superman, Superboy, and Supergirl since they are all tied up getting their energy sapped. Gotcha.Yes, he needed more power, so he included Supes to the other heroes he captured. He didn't need ONLY Supes because he isn't enough.
You keep bringing up the same things. Yes, Superman was able to get his power back to 100%, but so did other kryptonians. Heck, there were kryptonians flying around shooting heat vision who didn't experience the yellow sun at all. Getting to 100% isn't my argument. He can't Amp past that.
He could tie Supergirl and any other kryptonian to a yellow sun amping them as well. He didn't have to mention them because he was literally punching Supes in the face during that time. Sun amping is a kryptonian feature, not a Superman feature. He also needed Lobo and his race to Amp her as well.
If Superman goes from failing to lift 100 tons to lifting 10,000 tons when a specific circumstance arises then that is dynamic strength.
It has nothing to do with "where the energy to supply the strength comes from" (inside himself or from external source).
Originally posted by h1a8If Superman goes from failing to lift 100 tons to lifting 10,000 tons when a specific circumstance arises then that is dynamic strength.
It has nothing to do with "where the energy to supply the strength comes from" (inside himself or from external source).
Something like this happened multiple times(started out powerless when his body wasn't absorbing solar energy, as rests showed, for a year then suddenly he has powers) and I had previously showed Derrick the scans when he asked for an example like this. He ignored them, so he's just a blatant liar.
Originally posted by Delta1938it shows how far Superman can hold back.
Something like this happened multiple times(started out powerless when his body wasn't absorbing solar energy, as rests showed, for a year then suddenly he has powers) and I had previously showed Derrick the scans when he asked for an example like this. He ignored them, so he's just a blatant liar.
So his dynamic ability can take him from powerless to without limit. Where he can slugfest with the highest of cosmic gods and concepts when it’s necessary. He just has to will it so.
Hey Carv, this isn't a fight you can win. Your general stance could be defended way back when, but in more recent years DC pretty much established that Mxy ramps up Supes when shit really hits the fan. That's flat out dynamic strength. Yes it's coming from an outside source, but it's still a form dynamic strength. Now you might be able to argue about whether or not it's valid for the purposes of a forum fight(FYI, also a losing fight around here except under certain circumstances), but "in universe" DC gave Supes at least 1 objective form of dynamic strength. Might seem like a technicality or loophole, but if nothing else it muddies the waters too much to take a hard stance against the idea.
Originally posted by darthgooberit’s confirmed that as he’s stressed he draws in more energy as well, and we know he’s not limited in what sources he draws from. So the higher the threat the higher he goes.
Hey Carv, this isn't a fight you can win. Your general stance could be defended way back when, but in more recent years DC pretty much established that Mxy ramps up Supes when shit really hits the fan. That's flat out dynamic strength. Yes it's coming from an outside source, but it's still a form dynamic strength. Now you might be able to argue about whether or not it's valid for the purposes of a forum fight(FYI, also a losing fight around here except under certain circumstances), but "in universe" DC gave Supes at least 1 objective form of dynamic strength. Might seem like a technicality or loophole, but if nothing else it muddies the waters too much to take a hard stance against the idea.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey Carv, this isn't a fight you can win. Your general stance could be defended way back when, but in more recent years DC pretty much established that Mxy ramps up Supes when shit really hits the fan. That's flat out dynamic strength. Yes it's coming from an outside source, but it's still a form dynamic strength. Now you might be able to argue about whether or not it's valid for the purposes of a forum fight(FYI, also a losing fight around here except under certain circumstances), but "in universe" DC gave Supes at least 1 objective form of dynamic strength. Might seem like a technicality or loophole, but if nothing else it muddies the waters too much to take a hard stance against the idea.
Nothing was ever said on Mxy giving him more strength. The only thing that was said iirc is that he protects them.