The Thing scans are not the same - Ben wasn't drained of his energy, then suddenly ramped back up.
Same with Beast, or with Thor.
Carver, you specifically used a storyline where the villain explicitly says Superman doesn't just get his powers from the yellow sun....then say it has nothing to do with dynamic strength?
Ok, where does Superman get his powers from, then? And how is this unique to Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he needed more power, so he included Supes
Originally posted by carver9
You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman
BTW, I can assure you I read and understand the comics. But for you, I'm not so sure. I mean, even if you read, I have my doubts you understand them....
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you basically you're wrong in here?BTW, I can assure you I read and understand the comics. But for you, I'm not so sure. I mean, even if you read, I have my doubts you understand them....
He needed Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, and Lobo and his family. Everyone played a part. It's silly that you cut off most of that reply. Superman alone wouldn't supply him enough power to get the job done, so he added his family. He mentioned tying Superman under a yellow sun to give him the power he need. Someone with dynamic power, someone like Hulk... the infinite, ongoing power is already there. No outside sources needed.
Originally posted by carver9
He needed Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, and Lobo and his family. Everyone played a part. It's silly that you cut off most of that reply. Superman alone wouldn't supply him enough power to get the job done, so he added his family. He mentioned tying Superman under a yellow sun to give him the power he need. Someone with dynamic power, someone like Hulk... the infinite, ongoing power is already there. No outside sources needed.
@Dark
Dynamic. I added infinite because Hulk is an continuing source of power. Anyways, I already agreed with you. I said that he can get back to 100% after being drained which shows some form of dynamics. That 100% is Superman full power as mentioned by Dupes. Anything outside of this is what I disagree with.
Originally posted by carver9
It's simple, he stopped holding back. Even against his first fight against the Probe, at one point he couldn't hurt it and when he realized the consequences if the probe got away, he killed it.
Then exaplain this, as this is was Mongul training him for Imperiex.
Originally posted by -Pr-from Superman #152:
How is simply not holding back going to make his powers surge if he doesn't have dynamic powers?
Derrick, hello!!
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I cut it because most of your reply just moving goalposts
You first say Brainiac didn't need Superman, and when it's proved wrong, you move to whatever shit you're trying to make( Also, like DS said, dynamic power =//= infinite power. You're confusing two concepts here)
When did I say Brainiac didn't need Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
When did I say Brainiac didn't need Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman because he could supply him an infinite amount of power on his own. He literally tells Superman that he is going to hang him in front of a yellow sun so that he can continue to feed his queen power.This entire story goes against dynamic power. All of it.
He definitely needed Superman, anyway. Whether it be alone or not, Brainiac explicitly mentions that because of Superman, Metropolis has the greatest amount of power in the universe (I'm now cropping scans because people seem to have a hard time reading):
IF he didn't need Superman, why send General Chacal (silly name, btw - almost DBZ level) to get him?
Rhetorical question. Answer: because he needed unimaginable power:
That was really the only reason the Czarnians still stuck around:
Superman, of course, being different from everyone else:
So, Carver - what is this mysterious other source of power that Superman has? I mean, I am sure Superboy/Supergirl etc all love their friends and family too, but somehow it's not just simple family love - Superman alone has the ability to channel this love/emotion into power, unlike anyone else. But if it is not emotional, what is it, Carver? Been asking this.
Originally posted by carver9
@DarkDynamic. I added infinite because Hulk is an continuing source of power. Anyways, I already agreed with you. I said that he can get back to 100% after being drained which shows some form of dynamics. That 100% is Superman full power as mentioned by Dupes. Anything outside of this is what I disagree with.
Cool. So you have proven with your scans something that most/all Superman fans have agreed with for a loooong time now - that he has true dynamic powers.
Good scans.
Originally posted by carver9
Does any of the characters below have a similar showing to what Hulk did here that actually shows true dynamic power. Here Ironman with the armor of a Celestial is absorbing Hulks power while attacking him with the power of 100s of thousands exploding suns and Hulk power is increasing, getting stronger. I would like to see verbiage saying the person is getting more powerful. A clear indication of it.Contestants...
Thor
Surfer
Superman
Wonder Woman
Juggernaut
Spiderman
Captain Marvel (DC)
Orion
Lobo
Originally posted by carver9
Recent showings is what matters, right Dark (Hulk withstand 100 hercs)?
Originally posted by carver9
Brainiac absorbs Superman power which leaves him depleted of energy.
/thread
Carver vs Carver.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️... I said he didn't want Superman because he could supply him with infinite power. What that means is, Superman can't supply him with all of the power he needs which is the reason other characters were in play. How did you read that and get something else out of it?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool. So you have proven with your scans something that most/all Superman fans have agreed with for a loooong time now - that he has true dynamic powers.Good scans.
True dynamic power with a cap. This is my argument. Given time, any kryptonian (as shown in the comic) can get to full power.
Originally posted by carver9
True dynamic power with a cap. This is my argument. Given time, any kryptonian (as shown in the comic) can get to full power.
Ok, your OP never said 'with a cap', but, small steps now - you have finally conceded that he has dynamic strength.
Ok, let's address the cap part. What makes you say there's a cap, is it because Superman says he's at 100%, thus meaning this is his cap?
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, the dynamics you're referencing, most Heralds own that. Heck, even humans given time can go from being drained and tired to recouping their stamina, etc back to normal over time. Superman just does it at a faster rate.
Whilst fighting and expending energy, without external sources of power (like a yellow sun with Superman), whilst getting drained in battle? Which humans/heralds can do this, please?
If I am fighting 12 rounds against Tyson in his prime, whilst starved and so weak I can hardly form coherent sentences and need to be helped around...
Then at the end of the 12 rounds, am at full health and strength (Despite having no food or water), you're saying this is normal?
Please, give me examples.
Originally posted by carver9
🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️... I said he didn't want Superman because he could supply him with infinite power. What that means is, Superman can't supply him with all of the power he needs which is the reason other characters were in play. How did you read that and get something else out of it?
As I said before
Truly, a Carver Schrodinger’s Cat