Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She has autoshields:
These are good scans but I don't think it's enough to show that Magneto couldn't turn her brain off in a quickdraw.
I do think peak Magneto still stands a very good chance in a feat war over his ability to manipulate her energies vs her ability to manipulate his... but as I said I'd wager that the balance of feats tips towards her. Especially if we think this comes down to some sort of war of attrition.
Originally posted by Galan007My interpretation of the way it would work is: Sue creates a bubble shield. The Force, being ever present, still exists inside and outside the bubble. However, Vader's ability to manipulate the Force gets cut off by the perimeter of the bubble.
Yeah, I took the dialogue to mean that Sersi could no longer attack Sue directly/externally once her FF was up... But again, has a character ever explicitly tried (and failed) to manipulate the space within the shielding, assuming they have the ability to do so?Mind you, this isn't necessarily a Sue-specific question... It would apply to any character with "bubble-shielding" like that. Obviously we know most uber shields can soak high-end external attacks... But could a character with the right powerset theoretically manipulate the area within that bubble/barrier, or does the shielding also prevent that?
Again, I'm going with the Vader example because it's the easiest: he can manipulate the Force. The Force exists everywhere, holds everything together, surrounds/binds all, etc. So while the shields would undoubtedly block, say, a TK wave or Force Lightning(as they are attacks of the external sort), would the shields also negate Vader's ability to manipulate the Force that still exists within the shielding?
I think that's why, say, Storm couldn't create a hurricane out of the air within the bubble. I suppose one might argue that it's different for Vader, specifically -- not because the Force is ever present, but because his connection to the Force is different from Storm's connection to the wind. But since I think Sue could also guard against Thor trying the same hurricane trick, it seems unlikely to me.
Originally posted by Smurph
My interpretation of the way it would work is: Sue creates a bubble shield. The Force, being ever present, still exists inside and outside the bubble. However, Vader's ability to manipulate the Force gets cut off by the perimeter of the bubble.I think that's why, say, Storm couldn't create a hurricane out of the air within the bubble. I suppose one might argue that it's different for Vader, specifically -- not because the Force is ever present, but because his connection to the Force is different from Storm's connection to the wind. But since I think Sue could also guard against Thor trying the same hurricane trick, it seems unlikely to me.
yep. my interpretation of what would happen exactly. 👆 i'd say hers at least. less sure if mags could stop something similar tbh. her power essentially stems from outside the universe so makes sense it could affect more than his might be able to. weird vision phased through though. he couldn't phase through mags'--not that he'd ever have the chance.
if she's letting em energy through to see, there's also the chance he could manipulate it--ride it so it speak--as a way inside the shield and affect her that way. i'm still unsure she could shut down his force field. maybe but it seems he'd just be able to raise it unless she continued to cancel it. i dunno.
Originally posted by SmurphThat's kind of how I figured it might be depicted in a comic, too. 👆
My interpretation of the way it would work is: Sue creates a bubble shield. The Force, being ever present, still exists inside and outside the bubble. However, Vader's ability to manipulate the Force gets cut off by the perimeter of the bubble.I think that's why, say, Storm couldn't create a hurricane out of the air within the bubble. I suppose one might argue that it's different for Vader, specifically -- not because the Force is ever present, but because his connection to the Force is different from Storm's connection to the wind. But since I think Sue could also guard against Thor trying the same hurricane trick, it seems unlikely to me.
But I really am curious: has a character ever tried/failed to manipulate the area within an uber force-field on panel? Feel like that sort of tactic is never really touched on for obvious reasons(ie. comics aren't a battleboard setting, so characters are almost always going to just slingshot external attacks at shielding), but still... /shrug
Originally posted by Smurph
These are good scans but I don't think it's enough to show that Magneto couldn't turn her brain off in a quickdraw.I do think peak Magneto still stands a very good chance in a feat war over his ability to manipulate her energies vs her ability to manipulate his... but as I said I'd wager that the balance of feats tips towards her. Especially if we think this comes down to some sort of war of attrition.
Yeah, I was also addressing Leon's questions about them hiding from each other with those scans.
Originally posted by leonidasWhen the plot insists, comic characters have bypassed forcefields during mid-conversation because... well the force-field wielder allowed for the sound of their voices to transverse same. Same with photonic/light energy.
yep. my interpretation of what would happen exactly. 👆 i'd say hers at least. less sure if mags could stop something similar tbh. her power essentially stems from outside the universe so makes sense it could affect more than his might be able to. weird vision phased through though. he couldn't phase through mags'--not that he'd ever have the chance.if she's letting em energy through to see, there's also the chance he could manipulate it--ride it so it speak--as a way inside the shield and affect her that way. i'm still unsure she could shut down his force field. maybe but it seems he'd just be able to raise it unless she continued to cancel it. i dunno.
Technically, unless a forcefield blocks out all light/sound, both light/sound can penetrate the forcefields easily.
Originally posted by Galan007I think it's more appropriate to ask if a Force-wielder has ever penetrated an uber forcefield on-panel. Because if you want to talk about plot device powers like the Force, well... same applies.
That's kind of how I figured it might be depicted in a comic, too. 👆But I really am curious: has a character ever tried/failed to manipulate the area within an uber force-field on panel? Feel like that sort of tactic is never really touched on for obvious reasons(ie. comics aren't a battleboard setting, so characters are almost always going to just slingshot external attacks at shielding), but still... /shrug
The Force was described as "[A]n energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together." So all things considered equal in a comics vs forum setting, the Force isn't exactly that much more special than Magneto's electromagnetism or Sue's forcefields.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I took the dialogue to mean that Sersi could no longer attack Sue directly/externally once her FF was up... But again, has a character ever explicitly tried (and failed) to manipulate the space within the shielding, assuming they have the ability to do so?
i think this is what you were getting at?
(no idea anymore of any of my image site passwords so this is what you get lol