Originally posted by Darth Thor
After Hulk had already battered him. Stabbed him multiple times with his own spikes.
That doesn't decrease your strength. In most cases it will increase it. Adrenaline rush to survive.
Someone stabbed me and then started choking me with a laffy taffy then I'll still easily be able to break the laffy taffy.
Originally posted by tkitna
This may be your all time dumbest post. Do you seriously not think Abomination could bust a concrete bridge with a signle punch? Yet you say it would take hundreds? Good lord your dense. Why is that bridge feat so amazing to you? Its merely concrete.What does Thor busting the rainbow bridge have to do with anything here? The rainbow bridge and that simple concrete bridge have nothing in common at all.
Also, good lord yes I believe Thor could destroy a simple concrete bridge like that. Why is that even in question. Its not that impressive. All things considered, Juggs had his hands full with Colossus for cripes sake.
Did you see the feat?
If you did then you wouldn't be talking about simple concrete busting lmao.
Do you know how much concrete that was?
Do you know that concrete in a bridge is reinforced with steel?
Do you know that Juggs punched through the steel floor of the vehicle first?
I don't see Thor or Abom doing that with their fists.
You wanna use perception or science?
Abom was nowhere perceived to be that strong in the movie. He was tossing cars around short distances, etc. I would say Abom is about class 40-80. Juggs about class 100. Perception wise, no math
Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't decrease your strength. In most cases it will increase it. Adrenaline rush to survive.Someone stabbed me and then started choking me with a laffy taffy then I'll still easily be able to break the laffy taffy.
Try bench pressing after you've been stabbed. See what % of your max you're doing.
The whole point of battering and/or suffocating and/or submitting someone is so they have nothing left in the tank to pose a threat anymore.
So quit being ridiculous.
Originally posted by h1a8
Did you see the feat?
If you did then you wouldn't be talking about simple concrete busting lmao.
Do you know how much concrete that was?
Do you know that concrete in a bridge is reinforced with steel?
Do you know that Juggs punched through the steel floor of the vehicle first?I don't see Thor or Abom doing that with their fists.
You wanna use perception or science?
Abom was nowhere perceived to be that strong in the movie. He was tossing cars around short distances, etc. I would say Abom is about class 40-80. Juggs about class 100. Perception wise, no math
Lol. Yes i've seen it. Juggernaut punched through a van and hit a concrete bridge that shattered due to a ripple affect. Juggernaut has hands that are probably 3 to 4 times bigger than Thors so the effects of the punches would be different, but good lord, are you really suggesting that Thor doesn't have the strength and capability to punch through concrete bridges? The guy who is on par with the Hulk physically? Do you realize how insane you sound right now?
I can esily see Abomination replicating the same feat with the size of his fists That feat is just not that impressive. Hell, She Hulk punched a parking garage floor and caused a 50 foot or better fault in it.
Class 100? Why? His best strength feat was swinging a school bus at Colossus and that took a lot of effort for him to do so. He struggled with Colossus who struggled with Angel Dust. Can you honestly see Thor, Hulk, or Abomination struggling with Angel Dust? They would casually toss her aside.
Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. Yes i've seen it. Juggernaut punched through a van and hit a concrete bridge that shattered due to a ripple affect. Juggernaut has hands that are probably 3 to 4 times bigger than Thors so the effects of the punches would be different, but good lord, are you really suggesting that Thor doesn't have the strength and capability to punch through concrete bridges? The guy who is on par with the Hulk physically? Do you realize how insane you sound right now?I can esily see Abomination replicating the same feat with the size of his fists That feat is just not that impressive. Hell, She Hulk punched a parking garage floor and caused a 50 foot or better fault in it.
Class 100? Why? His best strength feat was swinging a school bus at Colossus and that took a lot of effort for him to do so. He struggled with Colossus who struggled with Angel Dust. Can you honestly see Thor, Hulk, or Abomination struggling with Angel Dust? They would casually toss her aside.
Thor can punch through concrete, but it would just make a hole—nothing like what Juggernaut can do.
Abomination is a class 20-50 character. He's not capable of damaging a bridge.
You're contradicting yourself. By proxy, you're scaling Abomination to later versions of Hulk (which doesn't work), yet you can't scale Angel Dust to Colossus or Colossus to Juggernaut? Not to mention, the fights don't suggest Colossus is near Juggernaut in strength. Colossus fought dirty and used outside help.
The big issue you're overlooking is the inconsistency in fiction.
Characters can lift 500,000 tons in one scene and struggle with 100 tons in another.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Try bench pressing after you've been stabbed. See what % of your max you're doing.The whole point of battering and/or suffocating and/or submitting someone is so they have nothing left in the tank to pose a threat anymore.
So quit being ridiculous.
Chains should be tissue paper to a class 100 being. I can easily rip tissue paper after being stabbed.
Plus shit like concrete and steel was knocking Hulk out and hurting him badly.
Originally posted by h1a8
you're scaling Abomination to later versions of Hulk (which doesn't work)
Really wasn't that much later. TIH happens at around the same time as Thor 2, which is right after Iron Man 2.
You're also just assuming Hulk became massively stronger based solely on feats happening later, which is ludicrous logic.
Also we see Smart Hulk punch Abom a few times in the She-Hulk finale without any noticeable effect. If he's as weak as you're making out, it should be an easy 1 punch KO.
Originally posted by h1a8
Chains should be tissue paper to a class 100 being. I can easily rip tissue paper after being stabbed.
Doesn't really work like that in comic book movies (or even in comics).
Originally posted by h1a8
Plus shit like concrete and steel was knocking Hulk out and hurting him badly.
He was never KO'd. And only came close to being KO'd when going up against Abom's strength.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Really wasn't that much later. TIH happens at around the same time as Thor 2, which is right after Iron Man 2.You're also just assuming Hulk became massively stronger based solely on feats happening later, which is ludicrous logic.
Also we see Smart Hulk punch Abom a few times in the She-Hulk finale without any noticeable effect. If he's as weak as you're making out, it should be an easy 1 punch KO.
Doesn't really work like that in comic book movies (or even in comics).
He was never KO'd. And only came close to being KO'd when going up against Abom's strength.
What you don't understand is that the level at which both characters operated in the movie was significantly below 100 tons. Steel and concrete were able to hurt them. Abomination threw a car with extreme effort, and it traveled only a few hundred feet. He also kicked Hulk a few hundred feet. Nothing he did was above 50 tons of force.
Hulk used car parts as weapons, which should be like tissue paper to a class 100 being. This is overwhelming proof of their levels in the movie.
Lastly, this concept works better in comics. There are plenty of examples where characters appear to get stronger or remain the same in strength after being stabbed, with no examples showing their strength diminishing by a large margin.
Originally posted by h1a8
What you don't understand is that the level at which both characters operated in the movie was significantly below 100 tons.
No what you don't understand is different directors in the early days of the MCU depicted the Hulk differently, but it's the same damn character Jeez. Quit being purposefully ignorant.
Originally posted by h1a8
Nothing he did was above 50 tons of force.
That doesn't matter.
Either prove (or at the very least give a logical explanation for) some sort of 100X amp in Universe or quit the BS.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No what you don't understand is different directors in the early days of the MCU depicted the Hulk differently, but it's the same damn character Jeez. Quit being purposefully ignorant.That doesn't matter.
Either prove (or at the very least give a logical explanation for) some sort of 100X amp in Universe or quit the BS.
I don't have to. You do.
A character can be significantly weaker in an earlier movie without explanation.
If a character fails to lift 50 tons using all their might in movie A and succeeds lifting it in movie B then they are stronger in movie B. No explanation is needed.
Characters don't get other characters feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
Characters don't get other characters feats.
They do if it's the same freaking character. Do you realize how dumb you sound?
Your logic is that a 100 ton character isn't a 100 ton character in a movie that doesn't have a story or plot line that requires 100 ton feats. So stupid.
Originally posted by tkitna
They do if it's the same freaking character. Do you realize how dumb you sound?Your logic is that a 100 ton character isn't a 100 ton character in a movie that doesn't have a story or plot line that requires 100 ton feats. So stupid.
Abom doesnt get Hulk feats.
Strength can be measured when someone is using extreme effort. From lifting to striking to throwing, etc.
None of Aboms feats are above 50 tons.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't have to. You do.
A character can be significantly weaker in an earlier movie without explanation.If a character fails to lift 50 tons using all their might in movie A and succeeds lifting it in movie B then they are stronger in movie B. No explanation is needed.
Characters don't get other characters feats.
You dont get how this works. Youre making the claim, so it’s on you to prove it with some sort of logical in universe explanation.
E.g. He was 13 in his first movie, now hes all grown up hence much stronger. Or Kal-El wasnt as strong in the beginning of MOS because he hadnt learned he could push his abilities until he met Jor-El.
Its the same characters Dumb Ass.
Also keep ignoring Abom taking multiple punches from Smart Hulk in with little effect. This is long after Hulk got this magical 100X amp which only you claim happened. Not the writers, not the directors, not the general audience, Only You.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You dont get how this works. Youre making the claim, so it’s on you to prove it with some sort of logical in universe explanation.E.g. He was 13 in his first movie, now hes all grown up hence much stronger. Or Kal-El wasnt as strong in the beginning of MOS because he hadnt learned he could push his abilities until he met Jor-El.
Its the same characters Dumb Ass.
Also keep ignoring Abom taking multiple punches from Smart Hulk in with little effect. This is long after Hulk got this magical 100X amp which only you claim happened. Not the writers, not the directors, not the general audience, Only You.
Again Abom doesnt get Hulk's feats.
If Hulk punched Abom with 20 tons of force then Abom has a 20 ton punch resistance feat.
Lastly, in terms of Hulk (not Abom):.
If a character attempted to lift 50 tons throughout an entire movie but failed but was able to do so in a later movie then that character is stronger in the latter movie. A reason doesn't have to be given to validate it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again Abom doesnt get Hulk's feats.
If Hulk punched Abom with 20 tons of force then Abom has a 20 ton punch resistance feat.Lastly, in terms of Hulk (not Abom):.
If a character attempted to lift 50 tons throughout an entire movie but failed but was able to do so in a later movie then that character is stronger in the latter movie. A reason doesn't have to be given to validate it.
Wth are you talking about?
We're not GIVING Abom Hulk's feats. We're Power Scaling Abom by seeing how he stacked up against the Hulk.
Given Abom almost KO'd Hulk at one point and gave him hell, we can deduce how the approximate level of strength he is at given what Hulk can do.
Neither Hulk or Abom failed to lift anything. Just the chains after Abom was battered.
And yeah keep ignoring Abom taking multiple punches from Smart Hulk with little visible effect/damage.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wth are you talking about?We're not GIVING Abom Hulk's feats. We're Power Scaling Abom by seeing how he stacked up against the Hulk.
Given Abom almost KO'd Hulk at one point and gave him hell, we can deduce how the approximate level of strength he is at given what Hulk can do.
Neither Hulk or Abom failed to lift anything. Just the chains after Abom was battered.
And yeah keep ignoring Abom taking multiple punches from Smart Hulk with little visible effect/damage.
Here is one example:
Distance cars were thrown.
If Smart Hulk's strength range from 20 tons to whatever tons (due to fiction inconsistency) then a being hit by him means they endured 20 to whatever tons of force.
I always use a character's average strength when using ABC logic.
For example, if Smart Hulk's average strength is 100 tons then alternative Abom withstood a 100 ton punch. But that's my take.
But guess what, Juggs's bridge punch is greater than any smart Hulk punch by far.