Juggernaut's Skin vs Adamantium

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Spoiler:
Pure BS on my part

Originally posted by Smurph
Again, you're not proving the thing that you think you're proving.

He snorted the gem fragments. That doesn't lead to the conclusion that he's stronger than ever before. Onus is on you to prove that.

Again, do you have any citations that Juggernaut is weaker than before?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't think Cain would be clutching his head and screaming if the bees were just jizzing on his face.

His nervous system was being affected. Of course he was screaming.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, do you have any citations that Juggernaut is weaker than before?

Honestly, even when he was amped post-Amazing X-Men (or even double-amped in Thor) he seemed to be weaker than his classic self.

At least we know he was fully powered here:

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Looks more like he touched the shattered gem and it granted him powers back. Not the first time it has happened.

Again, do you have any citations that Juggernaut is weaker than before?

He has no connection to Cyttorak anymore. He uses the bands of cyttorak and a snorted shard from the crimson gem to give himself Imitation Juggernaut powers. Hulk was ragdolling him and people in the comic were like "wow he is so much stronger than you!"

His armor "seems more powerful" because it does what his previous armor didn't, which is act as a power source separate from Cyttorak. It has nothing to do with Juggernaut's own power level, it's just a comparison between his old armor and his new shiny one.

He's obviously weaker. Just read the comics.

*SSSSNNNNIFF*

Usually the last thing Stilt's latest target hears.

Oh, ffs, this completely uncontroversial thread is being sh1tted up by a burden of proof fallacy. Here, current Juggernaut bounces off a forcefield in Legion of X #8 like a tool:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Juggernaut01_aEH5CyZujZDeKEbPjqkVtq.jpg

Basic deduction not good enough? States the obvious outright later in Legion of X #10:

Originally posted by Smurph
Did you read the mini?

He has no connection to Cyttorak anymore. He uses the bands of cyttorak and a snorted shard from the crimson gem to give himself Imitation Juggernaut powers. Hulk was ragdolling him and people in the comic were like "wow he is so much stronger than you!"

His armor "seems more powerful" because it does what his previous armor didn't, which is act as a power source separate from Cyttorak. It has nothing to do with Juggernaut's own power level, it's just a comparison between his old armor and his new shiny one.

He's obviously weaker. Just read the comics.

I wish I could get more puissance.

Originally posted by ODG
Oh, ffs, this completely uncontroversial thread is being sh1tted up by a burden of proof fallacy. Here, current Juggernaut bounces off a forcefield in Legion of X #8 like a tool:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Juggernaut01_aEH5CyZujZDeKEbPjqkVtq.jpg

Basic deduction not good enough? States the obvious outright later in Legion of X #10:

And then needed Banshee Rider to use him (as a steed....) to be unstoppable-enough. Lol.

Good thread but, I always figured that Juggernauts invulnerability is from his force-field/Aura. Not his actual skin, because usually when he's hurt he just regenerates. Like he did when shatterstar impaled him in the eyeball. What's the strongest durability feat without the force field/Aura?

double post

Shatterstar's sword was mystical in nature, so it bypassed some of his durability. I was always under the impression the lines from Feral in that comic weren't marks/scratches, but were there to implicate motion. Otherwise it would just look like she was holding onto his arm.

Cain is definitely not at full power currently. He has commented a few times about it. The most recent was when the Spirit of Variance used Cain and he remarked how he wasn't what he used to be.

Edit: Should've finished reading the thread for my above comment.