Originally posted by Galan007
For starters, dozens of people writing dozens of stories. Hundreds of highs and lows from different writers to cherry-pick from... Trust me, that's where the complication would start. Always does.Tbf, that anime clip aligns with the manga.
^ Who knows? If, say, Toyotaro takes the lead moving forward, then I imagine he'll stay true to Toriyama's vision and we won't see much of a change in the overall power-structure. Either way, we still have 40 years of one guy writing DB(or at least being heavily involved in the process) vs. However many dozens of writers a character like Superman has had in the same period of time.
That's why I'm saying that in general, the more people writing a character, the more opportunities there are for [a ton of] discrepancies to occur -- one writer says "this is how it is", and the next writer says "nah".
That's why trying to accurately 'DB-scale' comic characters always devolves into people cherry-picking whatever highs and lows they feel like. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Who knows? If, say, Toyotaro takes the lead moving forward, then I imagine he'll stay true to Toriyama's vision and we won't see much of a change in the overall power-structure. Either way, we still have 40 years of one guy writing DB(or at least being heavily involved in the process) vs. However many dozens of writers a character like Superman has had in the same period of time.That's why I'm saying that in general, the more people writing a character, the more opportunities there are for [a ton of] discrepancies to occur -- one writer says "this is how it is", and the next writer says "nah".
That's why trying to accurately 'DB-scale' comic characters always devolves into people cherry-picking whatever highs and lows they feel like. /shrug
Originally posted by abhilegend
Whats the difference between two and many in this case? You get a different writer in either case. Feels like DBZ gets another leeway comics aren't afforded to, I wonder why.
Two is, we know what to expect from this writer. Many is, inconsistencies. Why is this so hard for you to understand. If ABHI took over Superman comics as a writer, he will always display abstract piss and beat everyone he faces with no challenge. We know that will be a consistent thing because ABHI is writing Superman. We know what to expect and we also know what limits Superman has because ABHI will continue to write this character at this power level. On the other hand, Superman gets 3 different writers a year, Carver9, Darksaint, and Pr. Carver9 writes him at building level (i sure TF will), Darksaint stays consistent with you ABHI, and keeps writing Superman at abstract levels and Pr is fair and writes Superman around planetary. This is inconsistent and something that doesn't happen in DB.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why not be consistent?Writer specific characters Vs writer specific characters
I think Tori is consistent, Galan doesn't. Yes, Goku has some hiccups in his writing but I live by power levels equals more power, no matter the collateral damage. I do this with Hulk as well as long as you all don't troll me. WBH best showing isn't destroying the planet, it's tanking punches from amped Savage Hulk level beings and melting them with a single blow. The planet is just a nice added addition.
Originally posted by carver9
I think Tori is consistent, Galan doesn't. Yes, Goku has some hiccups in his writing but I live by power levels equals more power, no matter the collateral damage. I do this with Hulk as well as long as you all don't troll me. WBH best showing isn't destroying the planet, it's tanking punches from amped Savage Hulk level beings and melting them with a single blow. The planet is just a nice added addition.
So again, why not be consistent?
Jurgens Superman Vs Goku, or Morrison's etc. we use specific writer incarnations when debating cross genre threads.
Originally posted by abhilegendAre you seriously asking me if there's a difference between one opinion and dozens of opinions(especially when it comes to power-scaling)..? 😕
Whats the difference between two and many in this case? You get a different writer in either case. Feels like DBZ gets another leeway comics aren't afforded to, I wonder why.
How about this: let carver give his opinion on Hulk's level, and then let me know if the next 50 people completely agree with him.
Also, why are you getting salty? Is anything I've said about this inaccurate?
Originally posted by carver9
Nope, it carries over to whomever Tori left that responsibility to. We still will not exclude what happened in previous comics. Knowing DB, whomever it is will stick with DB until their death.
Sure, you can argue inconsistency occurs less frequently when the work is under one writer. But inconsistency is inconsistency, it can be created by many factors.
Many writers just play one of the factors in here, but it also can be created by: the writer simply forgets the previous plot, or just nerfs the characters so the plot can continue etc
And if you ask me, I think it always just comes to how many inconsistencies exist in a work. Many writers or just one writer is a thing affects the result, but not the result itself.
There is no universal laws that forbid a writer can make more inconsistencies than multiple writers
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That would probably be one of the better ways to do it... but even then you're still bound to get crying from both sides.
So again, why not be consistent?Jurgens Superman Vs Goku, or Morrison's etc. we use specific writer incarnations when debating cross genre threads.
If the title say Jurgen Superman, I can't ignore that. That's the Superman I will debate. Luckily with Goku we don't have to do that because one writer touch the character. Just because Goku, a person that has complete control of his kai energy, doesn't destroy earth in every shot doesn't mean he isn't a planet buster. Him overpowering and being FAR more powerful than a character that destroyed a planet bigger than earth, with less than 1% of his power, tells me that Goku is also beyond planetary (he literally stood there while this character threw everything he had at him without even flinching and yes, this character was at max power level).
Originally posted by carver9
If the title say Jurgen Superman, I can't ignore that. That's the Superman I will debate. Luckily with Goku we don't have to do that because one writer touch the character. Just because Goku, a person that has complete control of his kai energy, doesn't destroy earth in every shot doesn't mean he isn't a planet buster. Him overpowering and being FAR more powerful than a character that destroyed a planet bigger than earth, with less than 1% of his power, tells me that Goku is also beyond planetary (he literally stood there while this character threw everything he had at him without even flinching and yes, this character was at max power level).
Originally posted by Galan007
That would probably be one of the better ways to do it... but even then you're still bound to get crying from both sides.
So whenever I see a thread like this, I'll just use writer specific incarnations.
Like Aaron's Spidey, or DeFalco's Spidey.
But you yourself said , writers are incredibly inconsistent.
Is Spidey as written by Aaron not a character? You didn't specify in the OP, and it's far too late now to change, sorry.
Edit: also, where are you in the Zod/WW thread? I've been lenient with you so far and not called you out here until now.
Originally posted by Galan007
That would probably be one of the better ways to do it... but even then you're still bound to get crying from both sides.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, that's what I think. Still would have variability, and inconsistencies, but it should be less (nonexistent?)So whenever I see a thread like this, I'll just use writer specific incarnations.
Like Aaron's Spidey, or DeFalco's Spidey.
After all, I think even use one writer, there are many problems such as if a comic or manga makes a specific references to another work which he/she doesn't write, how do we deal with that?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you yourself said , writers are incredibly inconsistent.Is Spidey as written by Aaron not a character? You didn't specify in the OP, and it's far too late now to change, sorry.
Edit: also, where are you in the Zod/WW thread? I've been lenient with you so far and not called you out here until now.
I shouldn't have to specify that in the OP. You all are just upset that this isn't going your way. I asked for a character, not a specific character from a specific writer. This isnt how it works. Just because main comics are inconsistent shouldn't be used against DB due to them handling sh** right.