Scarlet Witch vs Hela vs Dark Phoenix (X3)

Who is the most powerful amongst Marvel's women?

I see a daisychain forming here.

It’s been established only Surtur and Ragnarok can defeat Hela, the goddess of death.

Yeah well they didnt take all powers that are into consideration. Im always a bit hesitant to believe something, just because some character said it was so.

Help has a chance to win like the first few seconds of the battle if she doesn't hit them from the very beginning of the battle then she has almost no chance of winning.

I have no idea on the other two. Leaning towards phoenix

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Yeah well they didnt take all powers that are into consideration. Im always a bit hesitant to believe something, just because some character said it was so.

It’s called the MVF Golden Rule: on screen feats are canon. Hela can’t be defeated by anyone except Odin, Surtur, or the beginning of Ragnarok.

Hela didn't even fight anyone else than them, so its not a feat. Feats are actions, measured in power/strength. That supposed impossibility cant be measured in any way. Its just words.

If you’re gonna ignore the rules, just say so.

I feel both sides of this argument. The mvf Golden rule must be adhered to. On the other, it's something like anyone believed that David could be goliath, right?

Whatever the case, I would definitely put it in Helas butt.

Originally posted by Impediment
It’s called the MVF Golden Rule: on screen feats are canon. Hela can’t be defeated by anyone except Odin, Surtur, or the beginning of Ragnarok.

lol

Scarlet Witch dog stomps.

I’ll look the other way, I guess.

I’m in no mood to ping-pong argue.

Hela can’t be killed by anyone but Odin or Surtur.

Y’all have fun.

Like I said, I'm with you on the golden rule. But one can't help but wonder. Does that mean Dr Manhattan cannot kill her? Or Lucifer from supernatural? What if professor Snape hits her with a death spell? LOL look at me mixing universes.

And I would still put it in Helas butt

Originally posted by Impediment
It’s called the MVF Golden Rule: on screen feats are canon. Hela can’t be defeated by anyone except Odin, Surtur, or the beginning of Ragnarok.

What is the source for this particular claim by the way?

Been a while since I've seen Thor: Ragnarok.

And I wonder if I made a thread of Reeves Superman vs. the Witch King of Angmar, who cannot be killed by any man of woman born. Does the Witch King win this match-up?

Interesting.

Originally posted by Impediment
I’ll look the other way, I guess.

I’m in no mood to ping-pong argue.

Hela can’t be killed by anyone but Odin or Surtur.

Y’all have fun.

We don't know exactly how Odin defeated Hela. However, Surtur clearly inflicted enough damage to kill her, proving that she can be incapacitated or killed by sufficient force.

Additionally, Surtur destroyed Asgard - Hela's source of power - at the same time. In a forum setting, Hela isn't on Asgard, which limits her power.

Here are some key points to consider:
1. Thanos' sword is more durable than Hela.
2. Scarlet Witch easily shattered Thanos' sword.
3. Scarlet Witch held Thanos in the air against his will because he couldn't fly.
4. Hela also can't fly.

Thus, Scarlet Witch could incapacitate Hela by holding her in the air and destroying her body. However, since Dark Phoenix is also part of the fight, this scenario would have to wait until either Dark Phoenix or Scarlet Witch is taken out.

Originally posted by h1a8
We don't know exactly how Odin defeated Hela. However, Surtur clearly inflicted enough damage to kill her, proving that she can be incapacitated or killed by sufficient force.

Additionally, Surtur destroyed Asgard - Hela's source of power - at the same time. In a forum setting, Hela isn't on Asgard, which limits her power.

Here are some key points to consider:
1. Thanos' sword is more durable than Hela.
2. Scarlet Witch easily shattered Thanos' sword.
3. Scarlet Witch held Thanos in the air against his will because he couldn't fly.
4. Hela also can't fly.

Thus, Scarlet Witch could incapacitate Hela by holding her in the air and destroying her body. However, since Dark Phoenix is also part of the fight, this scenario would have to wait until either Dark Phoenix or Scarlet Witch is taken out.

So mod comes in.

Tells you explicitly what the rules are, and you ignore it.

But in the SheHulk thread you're perfectly happy to namedrop your PMs with said mod lol.

Originally posted by Robtard
I see a daisychain forming here.

But seriously, if we asses each character, Dark Phoenix seems to have the strongest telekinesis, Hela seems to be the physically strongest, and Scarlet Witch has the most versatile powerset. A TP battle between SW and DP is hard to assess since both comfortably beat Professor X, but given that DP is insane, she might be harder to mentally overwhelm so I'd give her the telepathic edge. Telekinetically, I would give DP the edge as well unless SW miraculously manages to quick draw, but I don't see that happening, as DP is essentially a walking AOE attack that disintegrates anything in her vicinity or focus. As far as Hela goes, while she is obviously more physically durable, we have no idea what that means when it comes to telekinetic attacks. In particular, the only reason DP didn't disintegrate Wolverine's adamantium was because she was purposely holding back so Logan could stop her. Odin's prophecy about Hela's supposed invincibility seems to be a no limits fallacy, as she has never faced planet busters besides Surtur or telekinetic attacks, and DP is suggested to be both, and she has never faced reality warping attacks like those of SW. All in all, based on screen feats, I'd give DP the win with SW in a close second and Hela being the most likely to go down first.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So mod comes in.

Tells you explicitly what the rules are, and you ignore it.

But in the SheHulk thread you're perfectly happy to namedrop your PMs with said mod lol.

The MvF Golden Rule wasn't ignored by anyone here: “What is seen on screen is canon in these forums.” Nowhere was it SEEN that the only beings in the multiverse capable of defeating Hela are Odin or Surtur. If that had been explicitly shown, it would be canon and not open to debate.

To play devil's advocate:
If a character can only lose to those they were shown losing to in a movie, no character would ever lose a forum fight. Think about it.

Otherwise:
Surtur can defeat Hela, and so could anyone capable of inflicting the same or greater level of damage.

Additionally, Hela can be defeated through some types of BFR as she has no SEEN in movie defense against all forms of Bfr.

Originally posted by Impediment
It’s called the MVF Golden Rule: on screen feats are canon. Hela can’t be defeated by anyone except Odin, Surtur, or the beginning of Ragnarok.

This holds as much weight - moreso - than your PMs.

dp