Scarlet Witch vs Hela vs Dark Phoenix (X3)

Originally posted by Impediment
I’ll look the other way, I guess.

I’m in no mood to ping-pong argue.

Hela can’t be killed by anyone but Odin or Surtur.

Y’all have fun.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What is the source for this particular claim by the way?

Been a while since I've seen Thor: Ragnarok.

And I wonder if I made a thread of Reeves Superman vs. the Witch King of Angmar, who cannot be killed by any man of woman born. Does the Witch King win this match-up?

According to MCU film lore, even Odin couldn't stop Hela after she became too powerful, he could only imprison her, using his own life-force to keep her trapped. Only the destruction of Asgard (aka Ragnarok) can destroy her.

Not sure how literal we want to take that in the MVF. But they are spoken screen feats.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Indeed droolio

But seriously, if we asses each character, Dark Phoenix seems to have the strongest telekinesis, Hela seems to be the physically strongest, and Scarlet Witch has the most versatile powerset. A TP battle between SW and DP is hard to assess since both comfortably beat Professor X, but given that DP is insane, she might be harder to mentally overwhelm so I'd give her the telepathic edge. Telekinetically, I would give DP the edge as well unless SW miraculously manages to quick draw, but I don't see that happening, as DP is essentially a walking AOE attack that disintegrates anything in her vicinity or focus. As far as Hela goes, while she is obviously more physically durable, we have no idea what that means when it comes to telekinetic attacks. In particular, the only reason DP didn't disintegrate Wolverine's adamantium was because she was purposely holding back so Logan could stop her. Odin's prophecy about Hela's supposed invincibility seems to be a no limits fallacy, as she has never faced planet busters besides Surtur or telekinetic attacks, and DP is suggested to be both, and she has never faced reality warping attacks like those of SW. All in all, based on screen feats, I'd give DP the win with SW in a close second and Hela being the most likely to go down first.

Scarlet Witch has the most versatile and raw power, as she's a reality warper. But she's also a glass cannon.

I can barely recall what DP did in the last X film as it was shit.

Originally posted by Robtard
According to MCU film lore, even Odin couldn't stop Hela after she became too powerful, he could only imprison her, using his own life-force to keep her trapped. Only the destruction of Asgard (aka Ragnarok) can destroy her.

Not sure how literal we want to take that in the MVF. But they are spoken screen feats.

Spoken screen feats?
Timestamp please.
Who stated that nothing in the universe, multiverse, or other universes can defeat Hela.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This holds as much weight - moreso - than your PMs.

The 2nd sentence isn't the MVF Golden rule. Its rather an opinion that's not SEEN in the movie.

In other words, nowhere in the movie is it stated or shown that nothing in the multiverse, universe, or other universes can defeat her.

Additionally, we know she can't fly or teleport, so certain forms of BFR would likely be effective against her.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spoken screen feats?
Timestamp please.
Who stated that nothing in the universe, multiverse, or other universes can defeat Hela.

FFS, did you even pay attention to the film? Odin said it very clearly when talking to Thor and Loki, just before he dies:

"Her (Hela) violent appetites grew beyond my control. I couldn't stop her, so I imprisoned her. Locked her away. She draws her strength from Asgard...and once she gets there, her powers will be limitless." -Odin the Allfather

Then much later on Asgard:

"It won't end there. The longer Hela's on Asgard the more powerful she grows. She'll hunt us down. We need to stop her here and now." -Thor the god of hammers

"Asgard's not a place, it's people. This was never about stopping Ragnarok...it was about causing Ragnarok. (to Loki) Go to the vault. Surtur's crown. It's the only way." -Thor the god of hammers

Then the bit where Thor tells Valkerie that Asgard's destruction is fulfilling prophecy.

Taken from the script: https://imsdb.com/scripts/Thor-Ragnarok.html

Originally posted by h1a8
Spoken screen feats?
Timestamp please.
Who stated that nothing in the universe, multiverse, or other universes can defeat Hela.

The 2nd sentence isn't the MVF Golden rule. Its rather an opinion that's not SEEN in the movie.

In other words, nowhere in the movie is it stated or shown that nothing in the multiverse, universe, or other universes can defeat her.

Additionally, we know she can't fly or teleport, so certain forms of BFR would likely be effective against her.

Oh, oh oh, NOW you want to disregard a mod's words when it doesn't suit you, when it's publicly published for all to see?

Interesting hypocrisy, showing the standards of trolling you do.

Odin probably also thinks he created the universe. He's far from all knowing.

Originally posted by Robtard
FFS, did you even pay attention to the film? Odin said it very clearly when talking to Thor and Loki, just before he dies:

"Her (Hela) violent appetites grew beyond my control. I couldn't stop her, so I imprisoned her. Locked her away. She draws her strength from Asgard...and once she gets there, her powers will be limitless." -Odin the Allfather

Then much later on Asgard:

"It won't end there. The longer Hela's on Asgard the more powerful she grows. She'll hunt us down. We need to stop her here and now." -Thor the god of hammers

"Asgard's not a place, it's people. This was never about stopping Ragnarok...it was about causing Ragnarok. (to Loki) Go to the vault. Surtur's crown. It's the only way." -Thor the god of hammers

Then the bit where Thor tells Valkerie that Asgard's destruction is fulfilling prophecy.

Taken from the script: https://imsdb.com/scripts/Thor-Ragnarok.html

I analyzed all the comments you posted before replying to you, and none of them suggest that nothing in the universe (or multiverse) can defeat Hela.

Hela's power wasn't limitless on Asgard, as shown in the film. The statement contradicts her on-screen feats. Additionally, she could neither fly nor teleport, making her vulnerable to being easily BFR'd in many scenarios.

She ultimately died with Asgard. If Asgard were truly "a people," as claimed, she wouldn't have perished. Odin clearly referred to the physical place of Asgard; otherwise, it creates a contradiction.

As for the prophecy, it's irrelevant to this argument since it merely predicts the future. A prophecy outlining how someone will be defeated doesn't prove that method is the only way across all multiverses to defeat them.

No you didn't. Odin couldn't stop Hela, only imprison her. Surtur couldn't directly defeat Hela, he defeated her by destroying Asgard and her source of power. Fulling the prophecy that Asgard would be destroyed by his hands.

As I've already said above: "Not sure how literal we want to take that in the MVF. But they are spoken screen feats." In regards to Hela's power level, which they clearly are spoken as shown in the script, you nerd.

Originally posted by Robtard
No you didn't. Odin couldn't stop Hela, only imprison her. Surtur couldn't directly defeat Hela, he defeated her by destroying Asgard and her source of power. Fulling the prophecy that Asgard would be destroyed by his hands.

As I've already said above: "Not sure how literal we want to take that in the MVF. But they are spoken screen feats." In regards to Hela's power level, which they clearly are spoken as shown in the script, you nerd.

1. We don't know how much more powerful Odin was compared to Thor, so we can't use him as a reliable gauge.
2. Asgard, her source of power, is explicitly shown to be a place, which creates a contradiction to being "a people" as Ive explained.
3. "Spoken screen feats" do not claim or imply that Hela cannot be defeated by anything else in the multiverse. Therefore, these statements are irrelevant to the discussion.

Based on her feats, Hela can be defeated through certain forms of BFR or by beings capable of inflicting enough damage to either temporarily KO her (a forum win) or kill her outright.

SW easily beats Hela.
Dr. Strange easily beats her (through Bfr).
Thanos with IG easily beats her.
Saitama easily beats her.
Dormammu easily beats her.
Professor X easily beats her (she has no TP resistance feats)
Nightcrawler easily beats her
I can go on and on
I havent seen the Datk Phoenix movie so I can't comment on her.

Originally posted by Robtard
No you didn't. Odin couldn't stop Hela, only imprison her. Surtur couldn't directly defeat Hela, he defeated her by destroying Asgard and her source of power. Fulling the prophecy that Asgard would be destroyed by his hands.

As I've already said above: "Not sure how literal we want to take that in the MVF. But they are spoken screen feats." In regards to Hela's power level, which they clearly are spoken as shown in the script, you nerd.

The evidence for Hela only being defeatable by Ragnarok or Odin is flimsier than Trump's toupe'.

Scarlet Witch has just as many or more statements glazing her power, while also having considerably better feats of reality warping.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. We don't know how much more powerful Odin was compared to Thor, so we can't use him as a reliable gauge.
2. Asgard, her source of power, is explicitly shown to be a place, which creates a contradiction to being "a people" as Ive explained.
3. "Spoken screen feats" do not claim or imply that Hela cannot be defeated by anything else in the multiverse. Therefore, these statements are irrelevant to the discussion.

Based on her feats, Hela can be defeated through certain forms of BFR or by beings capable of inflicting enough damage to either temporarily KO her (a forum win) or kill her outright.

SW easily beats Hela.
Dr. Strange easily beats her (through Bfr).
Thanos with IG easily beats her.
Saitama easily beats her.
Dormammu easily beats her.
Professor X easily beats her (she has no TP resistance feats)
Nightcrawler easily beats her
I can go on and on
I havent seen the Datk Phoenix movie so I can't comment on her.

Wrong, we do know, Odin is significantly more powerful than Thor due to his mastery of the Odinforce, as Odin was able to casually strip Thor of all his powers, he was able to send Thor back to Earth after the Bifrost was destroyed, he was able to imprison Hela.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, we do know, Odin is significantly more powerful than Thor due to his mastery of the Odinforce, as Odin was able to casually strip Thor of all his powers, he was able to send Thor back to Earth after the Bifrost was destroyed, he was able to imprison Hela.

That's a false statement - we don't know. We know Odin is more powerful, but we don't know by how much. Knowing a magical spell to strip Thor of his power or imprison Hela doesn't provide a measure of Odin's overall strength. Thor does not know ANY MAGIC. Dr. Strange and SW can Bfr Hela with ease or imprison her at will. Opinions are not facts.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What is the source for this particular claim by the way?

Been a while since I've seen Thor: Ragnarok.

And I wonder if I made a thread of Reeves Superman vs. the Witch King of Angmar, who cannot be killed by any man of woman born. Does the Witch King win this match-up?

Funnily enough, this is probably the worst example you could use (not that examples don't exist).

Witch King: "Fool.....no man can kill me..."
Reeves Superman: "Good thing I don't kill, buddy"

*Uppercut into space*

I'm pretty sure they are joking with the Hela thing esp the mod , Hela doesn't belong here. She's collateral damage in this fight.
Dp wins as she fast , she stops bullets without even looking at them. But if SW lands an attack before she disintegrates which may be unlikely DP is gone. Hela has no chance here