Neo vs Hancock

Originally posted by Robtard
Unless Neo's allowed to manipulate Hancock and remove his powers or weaken them sufficiently, he's not physically strong enough to hurt Hancock, so Neo's mastery of all martial arts won't matter.

So aside from that, Neo's head is going up Neo's ass.

edit: Been years since I've watched the Matric films, so I might be forgetting some strength feat that is strong enough to hurt Hancock?

This feat is greater than any feat of raw power Hancock ever displayed in his film onscreen. By orders of magnitude.

The only reason this is even a discussion is because of the moon thing. But given we are given no context for how he accomplished this I'm not willing to give Hancock the benefit of the doubt when literally everything else he displayed is considerably less than this, particularly in regards to speed. Hancock barely has any feats indicating he's even superhuman in reaction-time and fighting speed at all, he just bumrushes normal humans at supersonic speeds but he can't statue them the way Superman or Flash can.

By feats performed onscreen Neo would dismantle Hancock with superior speed, skill, and striking strength and beat him down. Only with the higher interpretations of the offscreen moon feat does he scale higher in any capacity.

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you even science, bro?

-Average speed of a bullet is around 1,450mph

-Escape velocity is 25,000mph

-Average distance to the moon is 238,900 miles (double that for the return)

Escape velocity only refers to projectiles, not objects with propulsion.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Hancock is extremely faster than a bullet if he

1. Got to the moon period, unless you think that spaceships travel at just above the speed of sound.

2. Then proceeded to paint a continent sized area (if not more) in a short amount of time.

1. You don't understand the concept of acceleration.

Distance to moon = 1/2 acceleration * (time to moon)^2
=>
acceleration = 2 * (Distance to moon)/(time to moon)^2

Using this same acceleration, how long would it take Hancock to cover x feet in battle, starting from rest?

Distance = 1/2 acceleration * time^2
=>
x = 1/2 acceleration * time^2
=>
time = Sqrt[2 * x / {acceleration}]
=>
time = Sqrt[2 * x / {2 * (Distance to moon)/(time to moon)^2}]

Do you have a reasonable estimate for how long it took him to reach the moon? Let's assume it was 10 minutes. How long would it take him to cover 50 feet, starting from rest?

From above
time = Sqrt[2 * x / {2 * (Distance to moon)/(time to moon)^2}]
= Sqrt[2 * 50 feet / {2 * (238900*5280 feet)/(600 seconds)^2}]
= 0.12 second

Now how long does it take a bullet to cover 50 feet?
time = Distance / speed
= 50 feet / [1450 * 5280 feet / (3600 seconds)]
= 0.02 second

This means it would take Hancock 6 times longer to cover 50 feet than a bullet.

But guess what?
If Hancock accelerated halfway to the moon and decelerated the other half, he would achieve double the acceleration (the maximum possible).

So, how long would it take him to cover 50 feet?
Half the previous time: 0.06 seconds. The bullet would still be 3 times faster.

That's why you can't directly compare travel speed to combat speed.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Just for shots and giggles to think about it. Have any of you done any serious housepainting before?

Because if we got serious into thinking about it, he had to transport all that paint which would either multiply that speed feat if he made several trips, or one helluva strength feat (way beyond the whale) to somehow carry it in one load.

And then he is gonna have to use several coats, like a shitload of coats and wait on each one to dry etc...

If someone did the math( not enough info I'm sure) I would put money down that it would put him around Flash level speed.

It's unlikely that Hancock used actual paint to color the moon. He most likely accomplished it through some other unknown means.

Refer to my post above on acceleration to understand why travel speed doesn't directly compare to combat speed.

The biggest issue is that we don't know how long it took him to do this - it could have taken him 12 hours for all we know.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a Looney Tunes level feat.

Yes, in the sense that we don't understand how he could have possibly colored the moon - perhaps through some unexplained power?

Originally posted by h1a8
It's unlikely that Hancock used actual paint to color the moon. He most likely accomplished it through some other unknown means.

Refer to my post above on acceleration to understand why travel speed doesn't directly compare to combat speed.

Now look at the fake math i came up w. using a bargain basement AI program and just give me the win here pls.

No. Hancock wins, via speed and invulnerability.

I'm not gonna lie, the link Neme put up made me question my stance a little bit. Been a long time since I've seen that.

Bullshit H1, common sense rules here.

If you shot a high end rifle at the moon, even if that bullet never slowed down it would take longer than 12 hours to reach the moon.

And whether it was paint or he laid red carpet he still had to carry a continent sized area of something to the moon.

Originally posted by h1a8
Escape velocity only refers to projectiles, not objects with propulsion.

To escape Earth's gravity, a rocket needs to reach a speed of approximately 11.2 kilometers per second (kilometers/second), which is known as escape velocity; this translates to roughly 25,000 miles per hour (mph). -Science

A rocket is an object with propulsion. Hancock is a being with propulsion. Hancock had to meet or exceed 25K mph for his moon feat. You don't even science.

Originally posted by NemeBro
https://youtu.be/qTcxhshCElc?t=65

This feat is greater than any feat of raw power Hancock ever displayed in his film onscreen. By orders of magnitude.

The only reason this is even a discussion is because of the moon thing. But given we are given no context for how he accomplished this I'm not willing to give Hancock the benefit of the doubt when literally everything else he displayed is considerably less than this, particularly in regards to speed. Hancock barely has any feats indicating he's even superhuman in reaction-time and fighting speed at all, he just bumrushes normal humans at supersonic speeds but he can't statue them the way Superman or Flash can.

By feats performed onscreen Neo would dismantle Hancock with superior speed, skill, and striking strength and beat him down. Only with the higher interpretations of the offscreen moon feat does he scale higher in any capacity.

Fair enough, had largely forgotten that 3rd film. Also puts Neo's durability way the f*ck up there.

And speed too. They're fighting as lightning is arcing down.

Neo is vulnerable though. In the first test where neo falls off the skyscraper, the majority of the impact is negated by the program, but still drops him far enough to hurt him. He seems to have control of virtual...matter (???) which is why he can stop bullets and make the walls breath, and fly through the air at ludicrous speed. Even with that advantage, Neo can dodge bullets, but he can't catch them. However Hancock doesn't need to manipulate reality to make himself bulletproof

but why does that matter?

the clash between neo and smith generated a city sized shockwave, and it didn't even seem to ko neo. he definitely felt it, but he didn't take any clear physical damage at all. hancock simply doesn't have the onscreen physical feats to suggest that he could even harm neo tbh. forget about actually beating him.

if hancock's power stays the same, as op stated, then the matrix is irrelevant. Neo has to take the full force of a punch as opposed to a digital punch that he's nearly immune to, along with everything else physics related within the matrix.

If neo is only dealing with matrix-matter and matrix-physics, then Hancock in fact does not retain his power and is gimped

I think the topic is too paradoxical tbh

it's not that deep.

we just assume that neo's abilities are functioning to their best (like when he's jacked into the matrix) and that hancock's abilities are functioning to their best as well (like when charlize isn't around).

iow we're still just using onscreen feats, and hancock isn't winning.

This actually turned out to be a pretty good match I think. I'm undecided now.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
it's not that deep.

we just assume that neo's abilities are functioning to their best (like when he's jacked into the matrix) and that hancock's abilities are functioning to their best as well (like when charlize isn't around).

iow we're still just using onscreen feats, and hancock isn't winning.

I would rest easily on neo winning if he was instead removed from the matrix, but given matrix powers. That would fill in all the blanks for me and answer all the "what if"s, since he would have actual invulnerability instead of simulated invulnerability based on hacking a program in which he can warp matter and be unaffected by inconvenient physics like being shot (and sometimes even hacking his opponent, right?).

Validate his power in real world and he possibly maybe likely wins fair and square. In the matrix ...just feels like Hancock's being gimped. Like an underwater _______ vs Aquaman thread to the billionth power. ....IMO

...too late to edit

One of those "what if"s is- what if Hancock's speed is enough to deliver a fatal blow before neo has time to do hacks: remove neo from the matrix and logic dictates that his invulnerability would be passive, just like hancock's.

Way I see it is that both get their full powers in the context of their settings.

Neo gets all of his pseudo-reality warping that makes him a superhero in the Matrix including bending physics to allow him to dish out and tank city busting forces, but Hancock still retains his flight and superhuman train derailing physicals.

Only murky thing is could Neo interact with Hancock the way he did Smith in the first movie where he jumped into and destroyed him? I'm inclined to say no, as Smith is a program and Hancock isn't.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...too late to edit

One of those "what if"s is- what if Hancock's speed is enough to deliver a fatal blow before neo has time to do hacks: remove neo from the matrix and logic dictates that his invulnerability would be passive, just like hancock's.

hancock lacks the onscreen physical feats to suggest that he could even harm peak neo at all. forget delivering a "fatal" blow.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Way I see it is that both get their full powers in the context of their settings.

Neo gets all of his pseudo-reality warping that makes him a superhero in the Matrix including bending physics to allow him to dish out and tank city busting forces, but Hancock still retains his flight and superhuman train derailing physicals.

Only murky thing is could Neo interact with Hancock the way he did Smith in the first movie where he jumped into and destroyed him? I'm inclined to say no, as Smith is a program and Hancock isn't.

Why couldn't he could take over Hancock's virtual body or straight up destroy him. Remember that the agents hack into living people's virtual bodies, maybe killing them...I don't think that was ever answered. that ability and the neo feat in question seem directly related.

I think it's one of those situations of "just because you didn't see it happen doesn't mean it could not happen". At the end of matrix 1 he jumped inside and destroyed a person's virtual body which was already occupied by Smith. I have no reason to believe that neo couldn't turn that ability against a human if he hypothetically turned psycho

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Translation:
Hancock’s feat hurts my argument so lets ignore it and say it was accomplished by something i’m too lazy to even try and make up.

Now look at the fake math i came up w. using a bargain basement AI program and just give me the win here pls.

No. Hancock wins, via speed and invulnerability.

That's not a valid counterargument, so my point still stands. Unless you can provide specific time measurements to quantify his speed, he remains significantly slower.

This is a straightforward kinematic problem. I completed all the calculations myself without using GPT to verify the work. If you disagree with the math then point out any errors you may find.